Safety Question On Saddles: Pic Included

[StihlRockin']

The saddles I have are the older classic models. The ones with usually 4 D-rings; 2 on the sides and 2 on each butt strap. The 2 butt strap D-rings are for the suspension and the 2 on the hips are for safety belt/lanyard use when climbing.

I am going to purchase a newer model & design and have a concern. I've checked out several saddles in person, but still can't get over something. Please check out the pic below:

It's hard for me to come to an understanding the attachment point is suppose to be safe. LOL! Really, it's scared to look at. I can visualize myself about 55' up and looking down at that little attachment point and having concerns about it's strength.

As you can see by the red circle, that's the area of concern for me. Before you go off and say "thousands" of these saddles have been in use, are in use and will continue to be in use, etc, blah, blah, please explain if you've had any similar concerns.

At least when I or someone else clips into the D-rings, the D-rings are secured strong and gives a comforting feeling.

What are your thoughts on this sort of attachment point?

If you slipped and took a shock load from 5'-6', would you feel safe wearing this saddle with an attachment point like that?

Can't recall, but are those 2 more attachment points on both sides of the current attachment? Couldn't 1 carabiner be used and go through both those attachment spots or 2 carabiners, 1 through each point?

Thanks,

StihlRockin'

 

[chamuco]

center atachment points are for secure footlock,for climbing you want to clip on the ones to the sides of them.

 

[outofmytree]

The saddles I have are the older classic models. The ones with usually 4 D-rings; 2 on the sides and 2 on each butt strap. The 2 butt strap D-rings are for the suspension and the 2 on the hips are for safety belt/lanyard use when climbing.

I am going to purchase a newer model & design and have a concern. I've checked out several saddles in person, but still can't get over something. Please check out the pic below:

It's hard for me to come to an understanding the attachment point is suppose to be safe. LOL! Really, it's scared to look at. I can visualize myself about 55' up and looking down at that little attachment point and having concerns about it's strength.

As you can see by the red circle, that's the area of concern for me. Before you go off and say "thousands" of these saddles have been in use, are in use and will continue to be in use, etc, blah, blah, please explain if you've had any similar concerns.

At least when I or someone else clips into the D-rings, the D-rings are secured strong and gives a comforting feeling.

What are your thoughts on this sort of attachment point?

If you slipped and took a shock load from 5'-6', would you feel safe wearing this saddle with an attachment point like that?

Can't recall, but are those 2 more attachment points on both sides of the current attachment? Couldn't 1 carabiner be used and go through both those attachment spots or 2 carabiners, 1 through each point?

Thanks,

StihlRockin'

Don't recognise the saddle mate and I agree at first glance the central attachment is kinds wimpy looking.

What model/manufacturer is this?

 

[StihlRockin']

It's a Buckingham Master Saddle.

chamuco- That's what I was thinking.

Thanks for the replies.

 

[tomtrees58]

It's a Buckingham Master Saddle.

chamuco- That's what I was thinking.

Thanks for the replies.

me to i do not like that one i climb with blair or simpson thinking about a pinnacle tom trees

 

[StihlRockin']

I was just thinking... Maybe because the display was set up for the picture, the correct or recommended way of connection wasn't used? Who attaches a rope to a carabiner like that anyway?

To me it seems a better way would be to use 2 carabiners, one on each connection next to the center one. That would displace the weight and offer more strength to the connection points.

StihlRockin'

 

[lync]

In this case the picture isn't worth a thousand words. The nylon is double thick in the loop area. When you have the saddle in your hands you will see.

Corey

 

[Toddppm]

center atachment points are for secure footlock,for climbing you want to clip on the ones to the sides of them.

I don't think so? The side rings are for the safety lanyard not for working or descending. Webbing is pretty strong stuff and I've used safety belts where we just tied a seat out of it for training at the FD but that little attachment point doesn't look so good from here.....
Also I think the rope is just there for the picture not an actual work use photo.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

Who attaches a rope to a carabiner like that anyway?

That is the new fangled VT style setup, where you are on the bight, and the hitch is connected near your chest.

I can visualize myself about 55' up and looking down at that little attachment point and having concerns about it's strength.

The mount of stitching involved there will give you plenty of time to see that there is stress on the attachment loop. Ant B'ham will repair it for you for the cost of you shipping it in.

My custom Master had some gaps showing in the stitching, which they were perfectly happy to repair on warranty 2 years later. The were also willing to do a little tweaking to the saddle to make it more comfortable.

 

[chamuco]

I was not talking about the side d rings, i am talking about the webbing loops right next to the center ones.

 

[Toddppm]

Ahhhh, I see , what I didn't see before...

 

[tomtrees58]

I was not talking about the side d rings, i am talking about the webbing loops right next to the center ones.

yep that's wat i dont like just looks like it would brake tom trees

 

[yibida]

Use all three loops

"Can't recall, but are those 2 more attachment points on both sides of the current attachment? Could't 1 carabiner be used and go through both those attachment spots or 2 carabiners, 1 through each point?"


You may have answered your question as I think the carabiner goes through all three attachment loops, a pear shaped design crab would be better suited. The weight dispersal would then be upon both legs and center of gravity.

 

[Jeff_Cochran]

are you guys retarded? that saddle has been in production for 10 years! if you want it with a center d ring go with the classic it has a center d. the multiple tie in points are awesome and i put two rope bridges on mine. the saddle is bomb proof and it weighs like 9.5lbs.

 

[chamuco]

I climb on a master deluxe saddle which is similar to this one and use 1 carabiner on each of the top atachment points,the lower loops are just to adjust your center of gravity.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

I climb on a master deluxe saddle which is similar to this one and use 1 carabiner on each of the top atachment points,the lower loops are just to adjust your center of gravity.

I use the bottom ones for my flip line and the top for climbing.