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Rocky, would that old Fly be any good as a speedline?
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TreeJunkie
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Anyone have the prices for the Velocity?
Sean??
200'?
is it true 11mm? Unlike the fly which mearily claims this.
Sean??
200'?
is it true 11mm? Unlike the fly which mearily claims this.
MasterBlaster
TreeHouse Elder
A static line would be best, but the Fly could be used. It's not all that streechy.
seanlarkin
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The pricing for Velocity right now is as follows:
120' - $87 (available @ ISA show)
150' - $107 (available @ ISA show)
200' - $148 (available now)
600' - $413 (available now)
The rope is labeled as 7/16", which is 10.9375 mm. The Velocity rope is not the same diameter as the Fly.
Nathan Wreyford
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I still am dying to know what "light duty climbing" is all about.
Sounds like a disclaimer for "wears fast".
I love the fly. Think you lads are wacko fer dissin' it.
I only see the weight advantage in longer lenghts, in shorter lengths, I like something heavier so my 3/2vt
self tends with its' own weight.
I'll be checking out the Samson for my 150' line.
Sounds like a disclaimer for "wears fast".
I love the fly. Think you lads are wacko fer dissin' it.
I only see the weight advantage in longer lenghts, in shorter lengths, I like something heavier so my 3/2vt
self tends with its' own weight. I'll be checking out the Samson for my 150' line.
NickfromWI
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Light duty climbing means, "do not also use this line as a rigging line like you might do with XTC or Blue Streak."
I like the idea of this line.....there are other things I like better though!
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nick
I like the idea of this line.....there are other things I like better though!
love
nick
Nathan Wreyford
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so "light duty climbing" = "not a rigging line"
NickfromWI
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I think that's their way of making sure we take it easy on this thinner, weaker, less impact absorbing line. They can't expect us to actually change our climbing style just so we can use this rope. Imagine being up in the tree and thinking, "I'd like to hop over there, but can this rope handle it?"
Maybe they just need to emphasize that it is a CLIMBING line. Maybe we should call Samson!
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nick
Maybe they just need to emphasize that it is a CLIMBING line. Maybe we should call Samson!
love
nick
Tom Dunlap
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Alway fun to hear from the youngsters
Weak ropes? Compared to manila, sisal or hemp that the oldies started on ANY modern rope is at least twice as strong. This doesn't seem like the road to the definition of "light climbing" It will be interesting to get some answers in P'burgh.
Tom
Weak ropes? Compared to manila, sisal or hemp that the oldies started on ANY modern rope is at least twice as strong. This doesn't seem like the road to the definition of "light climbing" It will be interesting to get some answers in P'burgh.
Tom
Gord
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Why is anyone excited about a small diameter rope...give me true 1/2" any day, my hands are a little big for gripping the small stuff.
murphy4trees
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Do you all wear ugly gloves in the tree... The rubber really adds to the grip... Big Jon doesn't like wearing them though... I don't go up without them... Jon's got this big bump of a bulging muscle down by his elbow.... I should post a pic of that monster.... It's wild looking.... a buddy of mine that's into training and weight lifting said that was the "grip" muscle.... So I guess Jon don't need no stinkin gloves... I AM sure you guys complaining about sore hands and all climb a lot more than me though, so my body doesn't have to take so much wear and tear....
Tom Dunlap
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My handwear of choice are Smurf gloves. As long as they keep breeding we'll still have their sticky skins for our gloves.
The rope diameter has never made much difference to me except for True Blue. That should almost be sold as 5/8" diameter
There are three or four of our climbers who are using Fly and none use false crotches. The ropes are wearing well too. I've asked them if they would rather use 1/2" 16 strand and none want to change back.
Tom
The rope diameter has never made much difference to me except for True Blue. That should almost be sold as 5/8" diameter
There are three or four of our climbers who are using Fly and none use false crotches. The ropes are wearing well too. I've asked them if they would rather use 1/2" 16 strand and none want to change back.
Tom
murphy4trees
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No false crotches... sounds like you've got your work cut out for you Tom.... I know... I know... low and slow and incorporate one new piece at a time.. Are these guys using spliced eye lines with advanced friction hitches?
MasterBlaster
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Tom Dunlap
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About half are using advanced friction hitches the others are using Blake's. All of the crew's produce and make their daily goals. So, when they begin to use a few new skills they should bump production some. My style isn't to make anyone change their climbing style with a gun to the head. The only time I use that strategy is with safety issues. When the time is right people change. The crews know that I have an iron fist inside a velvet glove. My normal mode is to operate with velvet gloves.
Tom
Tom
Nathan Wreyford
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MB sounds more like true
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Tree Machine
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Uglies, stickies, smurfies,call em what you will, they're quite exceptional. When the weather's really hot, they seem to get tackier, which is more of a positive. The cotton backside allows your hands to breath.
Gripping on an 11 mm, I'm not sure. I have gripped, apparently, on a 10.9375 mm or around 21.875 if I have the rope doubled, but an 11 mm Velocity, I have yet to try.
Aside from the fact that I find my climbing abilities limited without the uglies, I also use pieces, devices, so I let them do a lot of the gripping and friction control. Devices level the playing field, as far as diameter goes.
Even with that, gripping the rope by hand is part of or collective realities and one of the majors that seperates our climbing methods from that of the rock jocks. I'm very interested to try the Velocity, as diameter is an important factor in grippage, but so is texture, wetness, coating and even age. With Velocity we can use rock-climbing devices that we were excluded from by virtue of the 13 mm diameter. I hope it's a good rope.
I apologise for not having followed through with my committment to bringing you more information on this rope as I promised a week ago. Sampson is in high gear getting ropes together for ISA, and for their select distributors, like Sherrill. They've had priorities. I have been in contact with them, but at this point, I am all talk and have no results.
Uglies, stickies, smurfies,call em what you will, they're quite exceptional. When the weather's really hot, they seem to get tackier, which is more of a positive. The cotton backside allows your hands to breath.
Gripping on an 11 mm, I'm not sure. I have gripped, apparently, on a 10.9375 mm or around 21.875 if I have the rope doubled, but an 11 mm Velocity, I have yet to try.
Aside from the fact that I find my climbing abilities limited without the uglies, I also use pieces, devices, so I let them do a lot of the gripping and friction control. Devices level the playing field, as far as diameter goes.
Even with that, gripping the rope by hand is part of or collective realities and one of the majors that seperates our climbing methods from that of the rock jocks. I'm very interested to try the Velocity, as diameter is an important factor in grippage, but so is texture, wetness, coating and even age. With Velocity we can use rock-climbing devices that we were excluded from by virtue of the 13 mm diameter. I hope it's a good rope.
I apologise for not having followed through with my committment to bringing you more information on this rope as I promised a week ago. Sampson is in high gear getting ropes together for ISA, and for their select distributors, like Sherrill. They've had priorities. I have been in contact with them, but at this point, I am all talk and have no results.
I don't think my grip came much by the way of gripping ropes. I believe it is from one handing my chainsaw. I put the death grip on that thing so not to drop it. Especially in the winter time when you can't feel your fingers. I would hate to have to come back at the end of a day with a dropped saw.
Also as a climbing technique I use is to climb with my fingers. Example to climb up a limb with suckers it is best to just grip the sucker with one finger close to the limb. That way you don't increase the leverage and don't rip the sucker off. All you need to pull yourself up is one finger. Tree climbing is alot like rock climbing but not as dangerous.
Also as a climbing technique I use is to climb with my fingers. Example to climb up a limb with suckers it is best to just grip the sucker with one finger close to the limb. That way you don't increase the leverage and don't rip the sucker off. All you need to pull yourself up is one finger. Tree climbing is alot like rock climbing but not as dangerous.
I forgot what this thread was. Anyway I was at the ITCC yesterday and got a good look at the velocity rope. I really like it. It is a bit smaller than fly but so much softer. I have not yet used it climbed on it I can't wait. I hope to pick some up tomorrow.
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I got a good look at the Velocity rope. I am not sold yet. I find the rope a lttle thin for my big mits.
