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Tree Sling'r
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Slinger, so what do you guys call cutting an angle on stumps in your strip and putting the wedge up on them or some big limbs to save the wood from breaking (slabbing the sides out or breaking) and kicking into lead? Never really was sure what that is called. I like watching the debris fly when they go into lead.
I would call that, not being sure about your undercut...hehe.
No honestley, I have gone out and sawed corners off stumps - sometimes it has worked and others not.
I normally gun my stuff a little down hill, even on flat ground, many times the tops will hit, kick the middle and the butt of the tree into lead. That way nothing is ever a direct hit, there is always momentum moving the tree into lead. Don't know if that makes any sense at all.
Metals406
Granfodder Runningsaw
Sling'r, could you explain 'bringing the tree into lead'?
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Tree Sling'r
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Having all your wood going the same direction, nothing crossed up. A good lead makes production for the logger much better and gives the faller a good reputation.
Metals406
Granfodder Runningsaw
Okay, that's what I was thinking at first... But then I thought it had something to do with the notch?
Again with the different regional terms... We called it 'layout'... Kinda like a framer laying out the studs in a wall.
An example would be, "boy, them fallers sure laid-out nice!" And I agree, the hooking crew hates a bad lead. We also always referred to a bad lead as:
1) Lazy fallers
2) Allergic to wedges
3) A pile of pick-up sticks... Don't know if you remember that game?
Hooking tops always sucked, and I remember a couple times, it was downright deadly dangerous!
Burvol
Bullbuck
I get paid $12 hr to just cut stuff down and let the shovels sort it out, much like the above picture. Just kidding.
Sure it makes sense, that's how you cut timber. Quartering on highlead ground, it's real easy to do. I have used that stump cut in the past to save some nice timber on flat ground, stuff with two 36's or 40's that have a bushel and half or so in the two logs. When it presents it'self as an option that I need to look at for whatever the reason maybe with damn nice wood, I might use the cut. When it's between the first and second buck, it can be a good option, or waste of time I guess.
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Burvol
Bullbuck
I've finished more than one or two strips that were abandoned...er, guys fired. I even finished a piece that a guy cut a tiny, skinny ass corridor all the way to the top on some super steep long highlead ground, and cut nothing else, did not bring up the hillside with it. THEN, once he was at the top, he started his strip from the top down, back into the bottom of this hell hole. 
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forestryworks
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I've finished more than one or two strips that were abandoned...er, guys fired. I even finished a piece that a guy cut a tiny, skinny ass corridor all the way to the top on some super steep long highlead ground, and cut nothing else, did not bring up the hillside with it. THEN, once he was at the top, he started his strip from the top down, back into the bottom of this hell hole.
i've always been under the impression that most strips are started from the bottom and work your way up... makes the hike in and out easier near the end.
in colorado when i cut... the guy made me start at the top... i see the point of gettin' roadside trees and hazards done and removed near the top, but at the end of the day after 12 hours, it was a long hike back to the truck packing the stuff out
Burvol
Bullbuck
Logs, loose stuff hanging, ect. That's one major reason why the guy got canned, he was retarted. Hookin' stuff that was cut backwards would be a nightmere as well.
Burvol
Bullbuck
You should have told him that he was full of BS and 12 hours of cutting (especially on steep ground) is not safe, and there might be a problem with production.
Metals406
Granfodder Runningsaw
Exactly! It also helps with 'lead' or layout. We yarded from the top down, so the logs were layered to suit a top to bottom setup. I got to mark corridors with our lead faller a couple times. He always left trees at the road/landing for us to cut. It allowed us to pick what trees to high-stump so the processor could deck downhill side against them.
The lead fallers name was Danny... He is awesome with a saw. I begged him to apprentice as a faller, but he talked me out'a working in the woods all together. He knew I was a newlywed, and told me there was no future in it. His biggest points were danger, no retirement, and the greenies eventually shutting loggers out'a the woods. Danny's dad (who started the company) was also killed in a D7 a few years before. He was clearing the roads of snow, got a little side grade on one of the roads, and rolled 1,100 feet. It even had fresh grousers welded to the tracks... But they're worthless sideways.
My cousin John was a faller for 25 years... Until a crappy yarder operator dropped a Maki Carriage on his back--on a log deck. I wanted to cut with John too, but with the accident, it never came to fruition.
These don't make a good backpack.
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Metals406
Granfodder Runningsaw
It did suck when it was cut wrong! And slowed production.
Our fallers did 6 hours a day, three days a week. I always assumed that was the industry standard?
If they were good, they would always be at least 4 sets ahead of us... But we had a father son team that had to work many the Saturday to stay ahead of us.
Burvol
Bullbuck
I'm sorry to hear about your cousin, but what was he doing? I don't trust anyone out there. I don't even trust my Dad who's one of the best. Stuff happens, you have to protect yourself in the woods, that's your job to do.
Burvol
Bullbuck
5 days a week, 7 hours a day is standard here. Somedays I'll go 7.5.
Metals406
Granfodder Runningsaw
It happened to John about 9 years ago, he's pretty much healed up now, but it ended his logging career for good. He was on a log deck bumping knots, with his back to the yarder... The operator was inexperienced, and quite frankly, a huge dumb@ss. He swung the boom to Johns side, with the Maki at the top of the boom... He jumped out'a the yarder, and didn't set the break. As he jumped out, the Maki came down. John never saw it coming. Besides crushing injuries, two choker mice entered his butt, and came out the front of his thigh.
That carriage was ****'n and get'n. Man, that'll keep a guy hungry at lunch!
Burvol
Bullbuck
It happened to John about 9 years ago, he's pretty much healed up now, but it ended his logging career for good. He was on a log deck bumping knots, with his back to the yarder... The operator was inexperienced, and quite frankly, a huge dumb@ss. He swung the boom to Johns side, with the Maki at the top of the boom... He jumped out'a the yarder, and didn't set the break. As he jumped out, the Maki came down. John never saw it coming. Besides crushing injuries, two choker mice entered his butt, and came out the front of his thigh.
Man, that'll keep a guy hungry at lunch!
Sorry to hear about that. Sounds extremely painful.
I usually just pack a bannana and power bar or something like that for lunch. I don't like to stop and eat, or eat a whole bunch, it slows me down and breaks a good rythym.
Metals406
Granfodder Runningsaw
I'm the same way... Often times, I don't eat lunch at all.
But eating a quick bite in between trees is a good idea... You burn a lot of energy in the woods. I'm 6'-4" and around 220 pounds... I've always been in real good shape, but my first month in the woods, I lost 20 pounds. Lean and mean.
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forestryworks
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i did. i told him i quit. he didn't pay time and a half either and wanted ppl workin' more than 40hrs/week.
Metals406
Granfodder Runningsaw
Good for you!.. He sounds like my old boss, no concern for anyone but himself... Wanted as much money as he could get, at everyones expense, so he could buy a new hopped-up snowcat every year.:censored:
