Scrounging Firewood (and other stuff)

[Lee192233]

I'm really hopeful we'll see vocational education/ apprenticeship come back around. I really enjoyed shop, wood shop, and agg classes in school, and did everything I could so I could co-op in my 12th grade year through vo-tech. (Took diesel mechanics) which lead me to a career as a heavy equipment mechanic.
Sadly, there a re a lot of companies that won't even consider someone without some sort of degree for management positions. We just went through that here at work. They were looking for a new manager of maintenance, and some collage idiot with a liberal arts degree got the job over the guy that's worked here 20+ years and knew what's going on and how to manage the guys.
Really doesn't help the schools push the collage agenda ever harder every year.

That’s what happened in manufacturing, the large companies got away with apprenticeships programs for a long period, now there a large void of skilled labor, they figured it was cheaper to have stuff made in third world countries, rather than train people in our own country, see where that got them ,

Try running an automotive service business. For years they'd push the troublemakers and not so smart kids into auto maintenance classes.

Around here tool and die apprentices can make $30+ dollars an hour. Can't get kids that wanna work like that though.

I think a big problem is all these kids see the social media types making a crap ton of money basically doing stupid ****. Unfortunately the value of hard work is no longer taught by parents either.

 

[Squareground3691]

Try running an automotive service business. For years they'd push the troublemakers and not so smart kids into auto maintenance classes.

Around here tool and die apprentices can make $30+ dollars an hour. Can't get kids that wanna work like that though.

I think a big problem is all these kids see the social media types making a crap ton of money basically doing stupid ****. Unfortunately the value of hard work is no longer taught by parents either.

Yup , it’s hard to find motivated young people today, I can’t tell you how many apprentices I have to let go because of it , and lack of basic math skills they should of learned in high school or vocational school,

 

[ATpro]

I’m in manufacturing, and there’s a large shortage of skilled people out there , lots of to be made if you’re ambitious and want to put in the time and effort.

The thing is, the vocational ed helped me along the way. When I got out of the service went to work in the forestry industry. They hired me as a crew member of a timber cruising crew. The reason I got the job is my surveyor experience, wasn't long before I was running the survey and setting up the plots to be evaluated.

I went to school at night for forestry and obtained certification as a Prescribe Burn Manager. I started working as a contract Prescribe Burn Manager where I could handle the survey, setting up the boundary, establish fire lanes, do the environmental impact report, and manage the burn. As a certified Prescribe Burn Manager I could provide burn insurance for my clients.

When I decided to retire from forestry I went back to work as a butcher and then as a Market Manager. On the side I trapped, commercial fished, had a metal prefab shop, I kept the candle burning at both ends. Through all this, it was my back ground obtained in my youth through vocational training and time in the service .

 

[GrizG]

Not everybody goes to collage, a job in the trades can pay as much as one receives with a collage degree.

If you factor in the opportunity costs of college (not only the tuition, books, room and board, interest, etc., but also the money not earned while in school) and many college degrees have a negative return on investment. But that’s just the financial stuff… there are lots of other reasons for college beyond a paycheck. That said, I saw first hand while college level teaching that some people have no business in college… and my girlfriend (who has spent her working career as a professor, department chair and dean) would tell you the same thing. Making career decisions at age 16-18 is kind of absurd if you think about it. I used to be fond of saying kids aren’t real people until they hit about age 24 and have had some life experiences…

 

[sean donato]

If you factor in the opportunity costs of college (not only the tuition, books, room and board, interest, etc., but also the money not earned while in school) and many college degrees have a negative return on investment. But that’s just the financial stuff… there are lots of other reasons for college beyond a paycheck. That said, I saw first hand while college level teaching that some people have no business in college… and my girlfriend (who has spent her working career as a professor, department chair and dean) would tell you the same thing. Making career decisions at age 16-18 is kind of absurd if you think about it. I used to be fond of saying kids aren’t real people until they hit about age 24 and have had some life experiences…

I agree with that to a point. I've always wanted to be a mechanic, like even when everyone else wanted to be a fireman or cop, I wanted to fix things. Aligned my classes to that end.

 

[ATpro]

I agree with that to a point. I've always wanted to be a mechanic, like even when everyone else wanted to be a fireman or cop, I wanted to fix things. Aligned my classes to that end.

I did the same for vocational reasons, knew I wasn't going to collage. With a draft lottery number of "41" I knew I was headed to Vietnam. Got my draft notice 2 weeks after I had enlisted in the corps of engineers. Called the draft board up and said "sorry boys, I enlisted with the USACE".