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bonsai

gonna start growing some trees to try and bonsai (not good arb practice im sure).

anyway any special treatment for the seeds i.e freezing them to simulate a winter.

got some cedar (Cedrus) seeds so far

cheers
jamie
 
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This will be my very first post here & it may actually be useful! Go figure....

Check out this link to an article on Cedar bonsai...
http://www.evergreengardenworks.com/cedars.htm

That should be just about all you'll need to know about growing them.

Also... when you're done with the cedar article, check out the list of other articles on the site. Brent Walston gives some great instructions on lots of bonsai topics. :cool:

Darrin
 
Bonsai

Don't start with seeds, there's no reason to do that. It'll take years to get a specimen large enough to do anything with. The art of Bonsai is easier than you might think, but you need to start in the right place- not seeds

Go to any nursery and choose a potted shrub. Juniper works exceptionally well, and is an easy one to start with, though there are many dozens of species that lend themselves well to the art of Bonsai (properly pronounced Bone-sigh).

It's been 14 years since I was active, and since then I work with much larger species, not in small pots. The pruning basics, however, are very much the same though the climbing methods are markedly different.

Potted evergreens this time of the year are cheap since the planting season is coming to a close and you'll find them on sale.

When choosing, look primarily at the trunk characteristics. The more 'mature' looking the trunk, the more you can effect the feel of an aged tree. Secondarily, go for shape. I put them in this order because you will be altering the shape of whatever you choose by training and pruning.

I recommend starting with the application of your training wire and some very, very minor pruning. A couple weeks later do the re-potting, root pruning and securing of the plant into the pot. Give the tree some time to recover. Prune lightly over time. Bonsai is not a hurried process. It is patient, and is never truly finished.

Also, start with more than one plant, mebbe two or three. Have them there to work on when you are inspired. With one single plant you may be inclined to over-work it. Establishing one will only take a couple-three hours, then it's maintenence and care from there on.

Lot's of Bonsai manuals out there, but the ones I have on my shelf are Bonsai Techniques I and Bonsai Techniques II by John Yoshio Naka. These are the definitive texts and you may be able to order them up at your local library. Have un, it's a great hobby.
 
Walk along a field road or trail where there's a cedar/juniper infestation and you'll find some excellent abused youngsters where cars or feet or trucks have kept them beat down. They already have Bonsai written all over them and someone someday will just want to herbicide them anyway. Rescue them to captivity in other words, then you won't feel so bad about forced servitude. Train them in the direction they already follow.

Take plenty of rootball, you can reduce over the seasons.

Tora tora tora.
 
lil plants

i was going to start with wee plants but thought that that would be cheating slightly......if that makes sense, find seeds and try from there.... either that or take cuttings of some willows / poplars so that they grow quick and i can practice on trees i dont really like.

so while i have the seeds, any tips on propagation, i might as well grow them, i have them and its free.

would they need to be chilled to simulate a winter? ingested and shat out?


oh and im going to go out and find small trees in the woods, dig em up and experiment. im sure that the woods will recover


oh how do i change the topic name, i can change a post but not a topic

jamie
 
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Re: lil plants

Originally posted by jamie
would they need to be chilled to simulate a winter?
No.
ingested and shat out?
Only if you want to play with your poop.:rolleyes:
Cedrus need no stratification--chilling--or scarification--abrasion.

Sow immediately if you are driven to. I'd much prefer oakwilt's suggestion of grabbing old abused ones from the wild. Pre-aged.;)
 
jamie, i tried willow before, they grow too fast to make them a feasable bonsai subject
 
willows

my thought was they could be expendable. trial and error pieces....if tehy die i wouldnt really care, well too much

i have one sycamore sapling in the garden that i pulled out of my neighbours flowerbed and planted, seems to be doing ok so far....time will tell.

anyone else into this, or do folk dabble like i am, (things in my life always start with me dabbling and then escaleate)

jamie
 
i had close to 100 trees in training at one point. kinida got away from me though.
got a job now, 2 growing buisness's on the side and a family to find time for.
growing bonsai can become addictive, and although on the face of it it dont seem like a whole lot of work, before you know it you have a stack of trees that need a whole lot of care.

hey if you want bonsai books let me know, i have 2 if not 3 real good ones, i was gonna put them on e-bay.
 
There's no cheating in using nursery-grown plants to start with. Starting with seeds is cheating yourself by dragging out your learning curve. Jump in, man.

Growth rate in any plant is a classic bell-shaped curve, where growth is dependent on the amount of photosynthesis the plant is capable of. Loosly translated, the amount of leaves or needles, = surface area of green + sunlight = rate of conversion.

You can have an established bonsai by the end of the day, and another one tomorrow. Why wait?

The wintering of seeds to get them to germinate is called vernalization. It is species-dependent. Some seeds require it, some don't. You can do the research, or guess, but that's not gonna get your hands practicing the technique, which would be your goal, yes?

Boxwood is a neat little tree to work on, creates a very traditional tree-like canopy, in miniature. Junipers, cedar and some pine for the classic old, windswept appearance. The choices are unlimited.

The trees, if they are genetically pre-programmed to be large trees, are kept dwarfed by seasonal root pruning and transfer to new containers. Since the plants are to be kept in small containers, the watering schedule is critical. Let em dry out, they're dead, as is all the work you've put into them.

Cloning trees via cuttings is kinda technical, varies from specie to specie and and is generally done using new spring growth. Also requires climate-controlled conditions with all but the most spontaneous rooting species. In Vitro propagation is restricted to lab geeks with a greenhouse. Keep it simple, dude.
 
Originally posted by Tree Machine
The wintering of seeds to get them to germinate is called vernalization. It is species-dependent. Some seeds require it, some don't.
Cedrus don't, according to Dirr's propagation book. Never heard stratification called vernalization before, but since vernal means spring, yeah, that makes sense.

This topic has me thinking. I have 2 acres of pasture about to get bush-hogged. I think I'll walk it before and after mowing and yank the redcedar, Juniperus virginiana, seedlings out. See if I can seduce the stepkid into the wonders of bonsai for fun and yes profit.

Stephen I'd be after those books, but shipping them across the puddle'd cost more than they do I'm sure.
 
potted

was only asking about the seeds as i had a sapling and started collecting seeds yesterday, my cutting trousrs were filled with seed...ha ha ha

may go and buy some wee plants soon, and start playing,

jamie
 
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