Shigo Book Choice

[TheTreeSpyder]

If one was considering oiling the sweat salt encrusted, rusty hinge on trifold to maybe get a more serious Shigo literate-ture; and had already, easily ruled out the $300 CD, and was looking at Sherrill's catalog (just supposin'now...) and seeing "New Tree Bio and dictionary" ($85), "tree Anatomy"($85)"Modern Arboriculture"($57), "Tree Pruning"($42)..........

What should one do, is the cheapest best for climber? Are those that treipse here and TB have enough exposure were mostly that would be review?

How is the rigging Software coming?

Chishom Crane VHS?

Just wonderin'...........

 

[Guy Meilleur]

Originally posted by TheTreeSpyder
)"Modern Arboriculture"($57), is the cheapest best for climber?

ANTB+D is the best to get, for full background, but Modern Arb is more practice-oriented, hence the title. Tree Pruning has nice photos but dwells on codoms. AM has nice drawings; an artist of your caliber will appreciate them. 389 pg of wide range of info; TP only 174 p. info, and most of it is photos.

Climbing arborists need to be familiar with Modern Arboriculture, and yes much more than you read here spyder, to stay above the rising bar of hackdom. Ordering the book next time a gizmo is bought isn't a bad idea. What % of our tool budgets go to our climbing and cutting rigs, and what % to improving the tool between our ears?

I smell a poll! Nah, just kiddin, I'd really catch heck for that

 

[ORclimber]

ANTB is 3 times as big as Tree pruning...so it's a bargain at only twice the price. Tree Pruning is an easy read with many captioned pictures and paragraph explanations. No regrets on the $ spent on either, don't have the other 2 yet.

 

[rumination]

Spydy, I think you would get the most out of Modern Arboriculture and New Tree Biology. I just finished reading New Tree Biology and I know I'll have to read it a couple more times before I absorb everything in there. Really great book.

Tree Pruning and Tree Anatomy are more along the lines of really nice picture books for tree people, although I think Tree Pruning makes for a great read for those who are just learning about tree care.

 

[TheTreeSpyder]

Thanks, i figured i could just write a few good Guy's or post to draw more opinion in for myself as well as others. Of course one of those written would have been SRT(Single Rope Tom); yet he hasn't chimed in.

It seems he and JP are both readjusting to new places. i even heared this nasty rumor that the big guy had even found a house to buy that fit him; and is making the All-Ya -Can-Eat Buffet owners sweat in yet another hometown! Way to go! But, can our hero give up the roadie life of living out of a suitcase like a Rock & Roll star travelling the landscape? i guess we will just have to stayyyyyy tuned!

i want to look more into the perimeter of territorial defense a tree puts up amongst a group of it's own or singlely by reaching for all available light. Protecting and cooling it's inner sanctum of green and roots to most productive temps to afford as much abundant life for itself and others, keeping and recycling into it's own area all the refuse for itself and any it protects in it's own gathering system. The amount of shade, and transpiration aiding the wind in this. The wooden border sifting to certain size those that enter, to therby limit compressive weight on root zone etc.

They say that the great elephants of Africa, are a keystone species. That in eating ~300# of food a day and only digesting half of it, they feed and seed so many species of animate and inanimate worlds, that they are keystone to that part of the pyramid of life in that region reaching up. Remove this keystone species, and many others tumble off the chart, causing others to crumble into nonexistance too. All from removing this one keystone, a signifigant, devastating change is made to the whole system.

Trees, are more keystone to the Earth than we in that example, especially in a time of global warming.

Edit: Yet, the very shade and richness they give to all willingly; we forsake them from with every cut, even if briefly in some cases. Every cut should be to targeted purpose in view of all balances thrown off etc.

 

[Guy Meilleur]

Originally posted by TheTreeSpyder
i want to look more into the perimeter of territorial defense a tree puts up . Remove this keystone species, and many others tumble off the chart, causing others to crumble into nonexistance too. Trees, are more keystone to the Earth than we in that example, especially in a time of global warming.

Reading Modern Arboriculture will move you along this path of understanding that you are on. I agree with you; that's why I want to be more a part of the solution--preserving and planting--and less of the problem--removing and removing.

That's why I keep saying, "Trees came before Humans. For us to survive, we must be sure that trees survive."

 

[Tom Dunlap]

ANY of Shigo's books are good. ANTB would be the one to bring along to the desert isle.

There is a list serve called Dead Wood Digest that would put you in touch with the folks who look at those sorts of things. I've read parts of research projects and it is very interesting. The Ancient Tree Forum in the UK is another source. Ted Green is the point man.

Tom

 

[TheTreeSpyder]

Welllllllllll; due to my Lady's name and spirit etc.; i must insist on a desert isle; of "i Dream of Jeannie" with the big book, i must truly confess!

i ordered Modern Arb. $57, Tree Basics $8, Caring for tree Planting brochure $3, Sherrill got em here in 2 days. There is no reason not to get the cheaper 2, might order more Tree Basics for the price and what ya get, can etout/give/learn etc. Modern Arb. is excellent too, learn things almost just by holding it! The Doc Shigo style is light, mainly fascinating pictures and explanations in small bytes/topics. In each many full page, 3/4 page examples, microscope slides, dissections like you were right in a lab, then out in the woods with someone directing you! And you get to see what they see etc. Really a must have too, but i'd like to think no matter what your ordering you could afford the 8 bucks and get a taste, prove to yourself and others the new theories we talk about around here, make sales etc.

Originally posted by TheTreeSpyder from- Hosting a Tree Booth Ideas Thread :
Today i showed the lil'booklet "Tree Basics" around to some 'civilians'.
The large pictures and drawings, and the few directive words for your attention's to be focused to point; draw you in to a different world. The simple, logical philosophies backed up by microscopic analysis and forensic surgery; with the reader in a front row seat for the ride. The way it cleanly blows up former beleifs can be disarming, almost mesmerizing to leave the mind open for more, that they might have missed.

 

[M.D. Vaden]

Is there a community college class handling aboriculture out there - that would run in the $190 range - of course the textbook may be another $60.

 

[TheTreeSpyder]

From: Dr.Alex Shigo- a Close-Up "The name Alex Shigo has a become a legend. When he walks into a room, he is the focal point. He has aura that commands respect," commented Goldstein.

"Dr. Shigo is one of the warmest people I've met, with a sincere desire to teach what he has learned about trees. 'You have to touch a tree and feel it,' is one of my favorite Shigoisms."

Since his retirement, he's written and published several papers, journals, books, and his most recent effort, a compact disk. Trees,Associates and Shigo is a CD which includes 5,000 slides from his work during the last 40-plus years. Included on the disk are thousands of images of the insides of trees, some so close up that one can see dust mites on an insect.

From : Doc Shigo Red Oak Forensic Examination #7. The tree was cut just as the first vessels were forming. Since vessels begin to form as the leaves are expanding, this tree was cut around the second week of May in New Hampshire.

 

[Guy Meilleur]

Originally posted by TreeCo
That Dead Wood Digest sounds interesting. How do I get there?

http://www.woodland-trust.org.uk/ancient-tree-forum/

 

[M.D. Vaden]

Would a CD like Shigo's be okay to use in a commercial presentation as long as it was displayed directly from the disc and not bootlegged or recopied?

 

[M.D. Vaden]

Maybe this answered my question if they are communicating right:

http://www.chesco.com/~treeman/CDS1.html

 

[TheTreeSpyder]

i think use of the copywright to use pictures is in the $300 price tag. i'd imagine for a collection of 10 of the best microscopic or other specialty pics; you'd end up possibly spending that kind of money somehow/lots of time; and have to go threw plenty of the same subject to hope to have 1 that finished nearly as well as some of these.

i also think that the disk carries some of the drawings of not painting, ripping branch collar etc. that we have come to recognize and know as some standard.

Which i guess is really fair, jest a lil'rich fer my budget and small uses. i guess printing loads of various propaganda or giving speaches might be different. Very good buisness move, open available price on the 1 of a kind works beyond anyone's needs probably; a stiff price, but for all the research, not worrying about stealing another's work for profit, legalities etc. i think.

 

[Guy Meilleur]

M.D., I really doubt that you would be denied non-commercial use, like presenting to a treecare audience, if you asked them directly. Proper attribution like a caption saying it came from ... serves as good advertising for chesco and all their products.

Intellectual property copyrights are important to respect, but no author of any tree book I've ever quoted from has denied permission to print their words. I got the impression that they were surprised (yet grateful) that I asked.

Why should it be any different with images? (The ad blurb for the CD trumpets that they were collected over 40 years. It may be in bad taste to ask this, and I do it with the utmost respect, but wasn't the collector already paid with our tax money for the first 30 years? Would it be right to ask us to in effect pay twice?)

To print the pictures in a book you're selling, you should pay or get clear permission. The bottom line is, if you're not selling them, should you have to buy them?

 

[M.D. Vaden]

One thing's for sure, if that CD has 4000 images on it - about $300 is a drop in the bucket for what that material could provide or yield.

It's nothing compared to a $1000 or $2000 projector. Which, I plan to gain in the next two weeks.

Found a decent one of about 1400 lumens.

I checked an internet source someone mentioned. Prices are better, so I'm thinking about that. But I sure like buying in-person too.

Got the computer - actually 2 - just like having a spare chainsaw. Only need the projector.

Holy Cow, too.. going from the 400 mhz computer with 128 megs of RAM, to this AMD "who knows how many" CPU with over a gig in ram (2 x 512 megs). That gig of RAM is equivelant to the hard drive of my last computer.

I'm not sure what the CPU is exactly, but it's got the Intel Chip beat in speed and quality. Sure am glad our son knows how to build and hot rod computers.

Anyhow, it's totally changed handling photos, editing, and internet use - especially with the DSL service we went with.

Oh yes, and the fun part. You should have seen our kids come running downstairs when they saw on screen the evidence of what our older son did for me. He put in a program that enables me to display on my screen, what each of our kids 2 computers are doing on the internet. We all 3 use the DSL at one time. I'm direct to the router, and they have the tiny D LINK in the USB port gaining wireless signal from the router. And to make it more fun - the reason they knew I could see their screens, was that I took control of their computers and screens - typed little hello messages and hit their scroll bars etc..

How fun technology can be.

 

[glens]

Originally posted by M.D. Vaden
Holy Cow, too.. going from the 400 mhz computer with 128 megs of RAM, to...

I just upgraded to a 466 MHz box (thanks to jsikkema1); doubled my computing speed.

He put in a program that enables me to display on my screen, what each of our kids 2 computers are doing on the internet. ... And to make it more fun - the reason they knew I could see their screens, was that I took control of their computers and screens - typed little hello messages and hit their scroll bars etc..

How fun technology can be.

That's the thing with Windows, you have to take such measures as installing software and actually importing the "desktop" of the remote computer to do stuff on it.  Unix has had a windowing system that runs across the network for about 20 years now.  In fact, I'm actually using the keyboard, mouse, and monitor hooked up to the 233 MHz box since it's got a much better video system.  All the "heavier" programs (like this browser, for instance) are actually running on the "new" box but displaying here.

How fun technology has been and can be!

Glen

 

[M.D. Vaden]

Hey there glens...

Our son uses windows XP, but he's also got equipment like yours too. He's more versatile. He did mention the stability of the Unix system.

I can barely bring my mind back to remember 20 years ago or whatever it was, when the 286 and 386 were the latest stuff - but I recall people sitting back for a few seconds at those units to wait for the computations to occur.

Some friends have Macs, and they like those too. For me, the "PCs" are a bit like when our cars in the 60s and 70s needed a bit of tweaking, yet we could still swap out parts at will.