Some sawing, logging and skidding pics and videos ......

[Slamm]

I forgot to put these photos in. This one has all the parts that could be used to add these style of dawgs to any saw, but the M5x12 screws are too short for the 261 and likely a few other models, so get longer bolts at a hardward store. I have the M5x12 installed on my 261 above, but I had Karen get me some M5x16's and will install them and a washer later. Don't pay attention to the 2 and 4 quantities on those bags, I had these as spares or something. I just found them in my stash of parts and used them. You only need one of each spike/dawg and two of the bolts and nuts.

Really these below are all you need and then get the two M5x16 bolts and locking nuts or equivalent at the hardware store, remember to spring for the stainless steel bolts and nuts, so they don't rust like a Husky will, LOL.

Sam

 

[Stihlman441]

Good stuff Sam and thanks.
It would be interesting to see if you do a muff modd on one of the CMTronics and leave one stock and see the difference ?.
Im wondering with a muff modd if they run richer,more torque and if the sweet spot in rpm changes.
Looks like your a bar dealer,they sound last ya awhile.:msp_smile:
I have found with the 261 my one has a dual port that it like around 13800,they are a nice little saw.I put 5 1/2 hrs on mine yesterday hanging out of a cage trimming trees.
I hope ya got a better spot to lock up them new saws mate.
Thanks for sharing.

 

[Birdhunter1]

I'll be looking for your review on the 261 with 20" 3/8". I am running .325 on mine and I like the 18" better but it handles the 20" well too. Currently I'm running the 20" due to trashy dirty wood and simply the extra reach as it is more brush cleanup than wood cutting.

 

[Slamm]

Good stuff Sam and thanks.
It would be interesting to see if you do a muff modd on one of the CMTronics and leave one stock and see the difference ?.
Im wondering with a muff modd if they run richer,more torque and if the sweet spot in rpm changes.
Looks like your a bar dealer,they sound last ya awhile.:msp_smile:
I have found with the 261 my one has a dual port that it like around 13800,they are a nice little saw.I put 5 1/2 hrs on mine yesterday hanging out of a cage trimming trees.
I hope ya got a better spot to lock up them new saws mate.
Thanks for sharing.

Andrew, I already have a modded muffler and yes, I will put it on one and keep the other one stock that is until if or when I find that I'm losing power or money and it annoys me. I still have that modded, SS muffler that I did at the machine shop, as I never swapped the regular steel one out and it was on a shelf, that they robbers didn't molest.

I will say this, with my last Mtronic, I did timed cuts with and without the modded muffler and there were no differences in cookie cutting using a 28" bar and 20" ash log cookies. But it was cookie cutting and not lugging the saw or work conditions, so I will/should do a more extensive test with these two. Also I have a pretty good infrared temp gauge that I could test the temperatures. I will do what I can, but at times the skidder is breathing down my neck and I just have to cut and learn what I can as I go.

The bars are not for me, they are for someone in need of a lot of 20" 3/8" .050, I'm simply an assistant in providing quality products to those in need. It is better that these poor individuals run quality bars than to have to run Oregon bars or other such pieces of crap like Forester.

I've got to move the limiter cap settings so I can get it richer, because I cut a little with it at the firewood pile, but I sure couldn't get it to four stroke no matter what I did. I even ran the L screw really rich and didn't seem to hear anything. I'll run it a little while and then modd the muffler and advance the timing and get rid of the base gasket.

The saws are in the same spot, but there is this

in there with them, as in, his bed is right next to them. He should have been there last time and it was just the robber's luck he wasn't.

That brindle dog's brother (below):

also has the gate to his pen left open at night, and he is worse than the brindle one, and there aren't any outside lights left on. I'd say the out come will be a little different if there is a next time.

I'm working on getting 12 security cameras put up, but have a couple of things to do first.

Later,

Sam

 

[Slamm]

I'll be looking for your review on the 261 with 20" 3/8". I am running .325 on mine and I like the 18" better but it handles the 20" well too. Currently I'm running the 20" due to trashy dirty wood and simply the extra reach as it is more brush cleanup than wood cutting.

The one I ran before had the timing advanced and the muffler modded and I think the base gasket removed, it had a couple of tanks through it and it had .325 20" on it and it was difficult to stop the chain, as in you had to really dawg it in hard to get it to slow down. So, it will pull the 3/8" 20" just fine. Plus I run full skip so that is much easier to pull, but the cutters last longer and stay sharper longer than with .325.

I'll get my 15-20 tanks through it and see how it goes.

Sam

 

[Birdhunter1]

I know a guy who does a dandy job with custom security systems that would travel to your area. he works out of Cape Girardeau, MO but travels all over and will literally build the system to what is needed at your site.

 

[Slamm]

I know a guy who does a dandy job with custom security systems that would travel to your area. he works out of Cape Girardeau, MO but travels all over and will literally build the system to what is needed at your site.

PM me his contact information and maybe if he is in the area sometime he could stop by. I'm south of Paducah, KY.

Thanks,

Sam

 

[Birdhunter1]

Pm sent.
I went with .325 on my 261 to be able to swap bars and chains with my 204 and 029 Super if needed. I no longer own either of those two so whenever my current setups wear out and need replaced I'm game for 3/8 or .325.

 

[Slamm]

Well this was the catch for today. Cut 44 trees and most of them were biggins. I think I was at about 2.5+ gallons of mix. Put 5 hours on the new completely stock 441 CM (not even a Muffler Modd), basically its first day of work. I had a skidder riding my back most of the day so I did what I could with the photos and keeping the above stats, didn't keep track of actual tankfills.

Just for the record, if someone would have shown up with either a stock or modded 660 with a 28-36" bar to give to me, I would tell them to sell it and go buy me another 441 CM Wrap and a 28" Lite bar and keep the change for gas and time. You couldn't give me one for production reasons ............... CAD yes, production no. This stock 441CM ran around these big Cherry Bark Oaks, Red Oaks, White Oaks and Hickory's running at 10,000-11,000 rpms with the bar usually completely buried at the felling cuts and topping cuts. Heres the photo and these are just some of the trees.

Had to cut the hinge on this one as it was leaning so hard the skidder wouldn't push it over, so back over the stump she went. No harm.

Here's a mess, dropped the single to the left and dropped the double at the same time with them going in different directions. I won't lie, I ran a short distance, LOL.

You need a long bar for these kinda monsters, LOL. It cleaned up about 5 feet higher up.

 

[Slamm]

Don't you hate it when you do this to yourself.

Now it looks like this.

Here is the below Red Oak and Hickory before I started cutting them and setting them up for a domino.

This is how the contract farmer cleans up the field edges with the excavator. He just scratches the trees and branches down and back, quite unsitely.

(Video Below) Here is a good amount of wood hitting the ground. Its a Red oak into a big Hickory ............. Domino'd.


Here is the Hickory going to the landing.

Here is the Red Oak going to the landing.

 

[Slamm]

And there's more.

Here's a little one:

Another one.

Another one.

Here is a video of pushing a cherry bark over that wouldn't wedge over .......... I didn't try real hard.


More

At this point a guy running a 660 would have run through 3+ gallons and would have quit because he was too tired to keep working.
But the 441 CM is still going.

Big Hickory

Big Red Oak

 

[Slamm]

Yes there are more:

Red Oak

Big Hickory

Last one for the day.

I'm not going to cut that big red oak to the left it appears to be quite rotten.

The horizon is a little lower now.

All the trees photo'd and then some to add up to 44 were cut with this completely stock 441 CM in under 5 hours of saw time. This saw had a few tenths on the hour meter trying to get the tach to work and cutting a few trees with the kids yesterday. It will be a rare day that a bigger saw or most any saw regardless of make or model, will cut more board footage of big hardwoods (oaks and hickory's) in that amount of time.

 

[Stihlman441]

Great pics and stuff as normal there Sam
Whats with all the Tach wires everywhere ?.
Cheers

 

[Slamm]

Great pics and stuff as normal there Sam
Whats with all the Tach wires everywhere ?.
Cheers

Andrew if you experiment with the location of the mini tach wire over the plastic, like in that groove between the air cover and top plastic it will read the heavy signal, but not some of the small weirdo signals, that said, with how you see it "rigged" with electrical tape, it would work fine about 85=90% of the time today, but if you bogged the saw or made it really work hard at about 9600 rpms it would then jump to 18,600 rpms. I thought I would try this "cheap" method before I commited to completing the project the way I'm very sure it will work, but requires more committed installation. I don't have time to mess with it now, but I will continue with the tape for a few days, as it works very well, only sometimes do I get the 18,000+ rpms in the Max Rpms reading.

Sam

 

[Slamm]

First tree this morning was a nice double cherry tree. Between the double was this big grub, it covers the S in Stihl.

Pretty good Cherry tree for around here.

There were several predicaments to get into today. Finishing up some of the creek trees.

Observe this mess. The big white oak with the saw in it, is leaning toward me. I dropped a sycamore into it trying to get it to push over away from the tree, but it never even moved, LOL. So I had to have the skidder push it over.

This is the mess above.

Here is a video explaining the above situation and then showing the failure of getting the sycamore to push the tree over:


This is the skidder pushing it over:

 

[Slamm]

Some stump:

A Stump

Video of some tree getting pushed over


Stump

More hot stump action.

Here's a little one. Notice that the 28" bar barely met in the middle, you could also notice the machine like precision of the cutting, LOL.

Does the guy have a laser or level or something on his saw??? LOL

 

[Slamm]

Video of tree getting pushed:


A view of 80ish logs, and what the farmer created to get across the creek.

Stump.

Some decent log going to the landing.

Here's a cable skidders dream, LOL.

Big Stump.

This is what professional pasture logging is all about, LOL. These trees suck.

 

[Slamm]

Here's a not so good situation.

Both red oaks are standing dead with dead branches and vines all in them, to fall on your head.

I decided to drop the far one down the hill and leave the uphill one, as it was too far gone and was going to wipe out several good little white oaks and hickory's.
Here is a good situation for a combo forestry helmet. when walking that downed log, I popped off my muffs so that I could hear if an overhead branch or vine from the other dead twin, was cracking or breaking off. This is something that ear plug wearers can't or don't due, is use their hearing when they could.

Its handy to be able to see and possibly hear the branch that might be coming at you. Had to walk past it going out.

Thats it for today,

Sam

 

[Metals406]

This would have been a good one to use a swing-dutchman on!

 

[Stihlman441]

Great stuff again Sam and thanks for taking the time keep it coming.
All this with a stock 441RCMTronic and 28'' bar i wonder if it will catch on,I'm thinking every day is a pleasure with that combination.