spices and sewn eyes

[jamie]

from what i have learnt here splices on each end of many ropes is a bad thing as the cover milks.....

when i learnt to climb i learnt on New england rope (dont know the which rope, it was orange and white), it had 2 sewn eyes

can ropes have 2 sewn eyes and not slip, milk or whatever its reffered to? im assuming so.

reason i ask is that im my 'window shopping' quest i have been looking at a marlow t16 rope and getting both ends spliced by the supplier (for complete traceablity and CE approval) the rope is a "16 plait polyester cover and a parrael laid core" and its marlow 'dri' treated.

im aware splices involve the rope being 'rewoven' into itself and sewn are laid side by side and sewn, so whats the difference and why will one work ad the other not work

i hope my rambling makes sense......

jamie

 

[Tom Dunlap]

You're lucky to have companies that sew eyes on rope. The only American company that I know that splices is Sterling. It seems that sewing would be easier and cheaper than splicing.

Anyone that I know who has had eyes on both ends has problems with milking. They have done some serious pre-milking to stabilize the cover/core. Just because of the nature of kernmantle rope I think that there will always be a little milking.

Have you talked with Andrew @ Pro-climber?

http://www.proclimber.co.uk/

Tom

 

[jamie]

ive not talked to them but know of them, on the second line you say splicing would be easier than splicing, im assuming that sewing would be easier than splicing????

so how do you premilk a rope, ive read about soaking them before use

jamie

 

[tophopper]

I have spliced both ends on many of my ropes--
had best success with Yale XTC lines-usually I will splice one end then use the rope once to get out any excess milking toward the other end-be sure to keep rope clean though or splicing the other end can get difficult.
I like xtc very much, I can splice both ends and have not yet had a problem with milking-
however other ropes will milk severly- sherrills prostripe milks so bad I hate to even climb on it, thats only spliced on one end.
Nickfromwi can probably best answer this question-but beware he may charge you j/k

 

[Koa Man]

I used to sew my own eyes before I learned how to splice 16 strand rope. I never did have one fail or even look like it was going bad. After I learned how to splice I am afraid to sew my own eyes now.

 

[Hemlock]

Today I saw brass clips at a local tack shop that were used to make eyes for horse lead ropes. When I asked about why the lines were not spliced and just clipped together the tack guy said that they were pretty strong. I noticed that these clips had teeth on the inside to grab the rope and worked much like the aluminum ferrules used on cable. I wonder if it would work to clip an eye and then sew it for good measure instead of splicing? Any advice?

 

[Lumberjack]

Splicing is the only ANSI approved method, plus it would look better, and be stronger IMO.

Plus splicing some strands aint hard,

Carl

 

[jamie]

sewn eyes

the sewn eyes i was using on the lanyard were covered with plastic sheath like on the petzl grillon below, the climbing line didnt have any covers but it looked neat and tidy, covered with a shrink wrapped cover.

oh and mind i live in the uk and as far as im aware ANSI plays no part in my life, HSE (health and Safety Executive), AFAG (Aboriculture and Forestry Advisory Group) and NPTC (National proficency Test Council) do that.

jamie

 

[NickfromWI]

I'm sure the only companies that are doing sewn eyes for the general public are not in the United States. I've seen climbing lines that have stitched eyes and you can just tell that they were done properly (by a european manufacturer) and are bomb-proof.

Now a guy in a tack shop saying that those eyes are "pretty strong"...that doesn't inspire confidence. We've talked about tack shops here before on AS, and most agreed that life support tools should be left to those who specialize in it, not horses.

I dislike the idea of stitched eyes for two reasons. 1-They snag on things only a bit less than a knot. At least a knot can be untied. 2-I like things to be clean and neat. Splices are and stitched eyes are not.

Carl, I'm not sure if ANSI would frown on the stitched eye. I know those stitching can be as strong as a knot. I checked ANSI and couldn't find anything about stitched eyes. Maybe I can ask around!

Splicing both ends...I avoid it if possible. If someone wants it, I'll warn them that they may just end up cutting one of them off after they realize the milking is messin' up the other splice. Then, if they still want it, I will climb on the line and do a couple full descents on it to get out as much slack as I can. I prefer splicing double eyes on Yale XTC over other climbing lines because it rarely has any cover milkage (is "milkage" a word?).

FWIW!

love
nick

 

[Lumberjack]

But ANSI says that spliced eyes should be made to manufactors specs, do they have specs on sewing?


Carl

 

[NickfromWI]

But they don't say how stitched eyes should be made. And they don't say that they shouldn't be used. Do they tell which knot's we're"supposed" to use?

love
nick

 

[Lumberjack]

No... I was just sayin that splicin should be done to manufactors specs, and so should the stitching?


Just a thought


Carl

 

[NickfromWI]

I definately agree about that!


love
nick

Sweet, apples!

 

[Lumberjack]

Haha

TGF disaproval rating


Carl