splice slipped on NE Fly rope
- Thread starter John Paul Sanborn
- Start date
Help Support Arborist Forum:
Kneejerk Bombas
ArboristSite King
- Joined
- Oct 7, 2001
- Messages
- 36,971
- Reaction score
- 9,983
The eye opened up a little and exposed the core.
I have done a few splices now on this rope, and I can see how this could happen if the splicer was not careful. The core strands tend to twist up a bit and can actually get buried with some twisting. Once loaded, the twists pull straight and allow the eye to open up. There was still enough bury to hold the eye together, so you are correct that it would not likely pull apart.
I heard the splice in question was loaded and passed.
Ok, my crystal ball is going dim now...
I have done a few splices now on this rope, and I can see how this could happen if the splicer was not careful. The core strands tend to twist up a bit and can actually get buried with some twisting. Once loaded, the twists pull straight and allow the eye to open up. There was still enough bury to hold the eye together, so you are correct that it would not likely pull apart.
I heard the splice in question was loaded and passed.
Ok, my crystal ball is going dim now...
Tom Dunlap
Addicted to ArboristSite
The rumors and conjecture in this thread is really comical once a person knows the truth.
Good response, Frans
After Todd let Howard know about the slip, Howard called everyone who had the rope in service. Howard called me within 36 hours of Todd's contact. My rope is doing fine. I really appreciate the way that NER handled this situation. From what I've heard, the splice was still plenty secure. Un-nerving I'll bet though, Todd.
We all put our lives in other peoples hands more than most people realize. Think about how complicated a car is. When was the last, or first, time anyone went around and tightened the lug nuts? Does everyone check the tire pressure more than once per year? I've talked with carpenter/remodelers who have opened up house walls and found some really scary wiring. Zip wire extension cords strung through the walls aren't that unusual.
My plan is to add a constrictor knot to reduce the size of the eye and then cover the top of the splice with a neat seizing. I need to add some diameter to the splice in order for it to catch on the retainer on the Rope Guide. I think that a couple of constrictor hitches made with some pink 2mm cord would be really pretty.
Tom
Good response, Frans
After Todd let Howard know about the slip, Howard called everyone who had the rope in service. Howard called me within 36 hours of Todd's contact. My rope is doing fine. I really appreciate the way that NER handled this situation. From what I've heard, the splice was still plenty secure. Un-nerving I'll bet though, Todd.
We all put our lives in other peoples hands more than most people realize. Think about how complicated a car is. When was the last, or first
, time anyone went around and tightened the lug nuts? Does everyone check the tire pressure more than once per year? I've talked with carpenter/remodelers who have opened up house walls and found some really scary wiring. Zip wire extension cords strung through the walls aren't that unusual.My plan is to add a constrictor knot to reduce the size of the eye and then cover the top of the splice with a neat seizing. I need to add some diameter to the splice in order for it to catch on the retainer on the Rope Guide. I think that a couple of constrictor hitches made with some pink 2mm cord would be really pretty.
Tom
I agree with Tom, the situation was not as bad as it seems to be. The appearance of the splice was not as bad as it looked. I thought NE would want to know about it, I told them, they thanked me and I received my new rope in two days. There are many people all over the nation using this rope and I have heard of nothing simular to my situation, with all of the inovations and upgrades in our systems we all know we need to keep a heads up on our gear. work safe.
Kneejerk Bombas
ArboristSite King
- Joined
- Oct 7, 2001
- Messages
- 36,971
- Reaction score
- 9,983
Early on in the ***'s sales, I heard several people talking about the questionable splice used on this rope. Not being part of first generation of splices because of a lack of information about the rope and splices, I can't comment to much more on them. The new "improved" splice has a clear shrink wrapping, so you can inspect the splice during use, this does not inspire confidence. When I asked what happens when the shrink wrap falls off, which it surely will in the first time or two of use, I was told to wrap it in electrical tape. This was from the authorized dealer, not **, who ignored my emails.
I've also heard there is a third generation with a longer sheath tail and lock stitching.
I like the rope but the splice has me worried, and based on Tom's proposed modifications, others are worried too.
I'm curious which generation everyone has. Tom or others, how long is the sheath tail, is the splice lock stitched, and what factory covering does it have if any?
Mine had about a 3" tail, no lock stitching but whipped, and clear heat shrinking.
I've also heard there is a third generation with a longer sheath tail and lock stitching.
I like the rope but the splice has me worried, and based on Tom's proposed modifications, others are worried too.
I'm curious which generation everyone has. Tom or others, how long is the sheath tail, is the splice lock stitched, and what factory covering does it have if any?
Mine had about a 3" tail, no lock stitching but whipped, and clear heat shrinking.
Last edited:
tophopper
ArboristSite Guru
Help me out guys! Id like to form my own opinion about this this splice. who has the updated version of how to splice this rope? I've asked several people directly and have not even gotten a response. If you have it can you please forward this onto me?
Thank you
[email protected]
Thank you
[email protected]
Tom Dunlap
Addicted to ArboristSite
Mike,
My additions of constrictor knots and seizing doesn't have very much to do with my confidence in the splice. I want an eye that fits SNUG onto my biner rather than allow the biner to flop.
The addition of another, larger diameter cord will just make sure that I don't loose my Rope Guide in the tree. I've had is slip out twice and I have to use a throwline to retrieve the RG. Grrr...
The seizing is just to jazz up my rope. Decoration not function. I've got the original, black, shrink wrap and it's holding up fine.
Tom
My additions of constrictor knots and seizing doesn't have very much to do with my confidence in the splice. I want an eye that fits SNUG onto my biner rather than allow the biner to flop.
The addition of another, larger diameter cord will just make sure that I don't loose my Rope Guide in the tree. I've had is slip out twice and I have to use a throwline to retrieve the RG. Grrr...
The seizing is just to jazz up my rope. Decoration not function. I've got the original, black, shrink wrap and it's holding up fine.
Tom
John Paul Sanborn
Above average climber
Because the ropes tensil are tested with a factory splice, the MBS actualy includes that splice for many manufacturers.
tophopper
ArboristSite Guru
Tom,
do you pull the splice thru the RG for removal or the other end?
Youve seen my version of a RG(same thing less the LJ), anyway, my splices are just the right size to catch the retrieval link. if the diameter were any greater Id have to change the hardware in the system. I couldn't imagine trying to pull the splice with tubing thru.
treeco- you are right more and more of us are going to splices.
If you have not yet made the transition you should expore it a bit. once you start working with splices you will want to have evrything spliced. Personally, I am totally confident in all of my splices, I am more confident in my splicing than a purchased factory splice simply because I didn't 'build' the factory splice. All my splices are done according to manufacturers recommendations but there is alot to be said for doing it your self. Besides that I think splicing is a cool trick to have up your sleeve.
do you pull the splice thru the RG for removal or the other end?
Youve seen my version of a RG(same thing less the LJ), anyway, my splices are just the right size to catch the retrieval link. if the diameter were any greater Id have to change the hardware in the system. I couldn't imagine trying to pull the splice with tubing thru.
treeco- you are right more and more of us are going to splices.
If you have not yet made the transition you should expore it a bit. once you start working with splices you will want to have evrything spliced. Personally, I am totally confident in all of my splices, I am more confident in my splicing than a purchased factory splice simply because I didn't 'build' the factory splice. All my splices are done according to manufacturers recommendations but there is alot to be said for doing it your self. Besides that I think splicing is a cool trick to have up your sleeve.
Last edited:
Tom Dunlap
Addicted to ArboristSite
John,
I pull the spliced end through in typical fashion. Tonight I'm going to add the seizing and stopper.
Tom
I pull the spliced end through in typical fashion. Tonight I'm going to add the seizing and stopper.
Tom
John Paul Sanborn
Above average climber
I got a call from Howard at NE. here are some of the things he said.
The splice has a MBS of about 10% less then the unspliced rope.
The shrink wrap is more of an aesthetic thing, thier origional intent was the marketing. Having their name right there. It also gives a little extra wear bennefit, but has nothing to do with keeping the final bury pulling out.
Replacing worn shrinkwrap is perfectly fine, he mentioned the tape, though said it would
They are recomending the extra whipping, but it is overkill, the splice tested par with a double eight.
We talked about rigging lines too, they have a new rope with a stiffer construction. He's found that the biggest problem with wear/melt on double braid is that it flattens out too much which gives too much surface for friction. This new cord stays rounder, so presents a smaller profile to the bollard/bark.
A few of the problems here is itis more static then DB lines, and being stiffer it does not tie as easy as the limper ones do. Though there is no problem with them slipping knots.
The splice has a MBS of about 10% less then the unspliced rope.
The shrink wrap is more of an aesthetic thing, thier origional intent was the marketing. Having their name right there. It also gives a little extra wear bennefit, but has nothing to do with keeping the final bury pulling out.
Replacing worn shrinkwrap is perfectly fine, he mentioned the tape, though said it would
They are recomending the extra whipping, but it is overkill, the splice tested par with a double eight.
We talked about rigging lines too, they have a new rope with a stiffer construction. He's found that the biggest problem with wear/melt on double braid is that it flattens out too much which gives too much surface for friction. This new cord stays rounder, so presents a smaller profile to the bollard/bark.
A few of the problems here is itis more static then DB lines, and being stiffer it does not tie as easy as the limper ones do. Though there is no problem with them slipping knots.
