?Spliced at both ends? - ArborMaster

[jkrueger]

Has anyone here done that with the ArborMaster climbing line?

I've been using the Gold Streak, spliced at one end, for a while now and it shows no milking.

Perhaps it's doable?

Jack

 

[John Stewart]

Hey
Ditto to that!
You want to see milking get the Fly
I understand Rocky's comment but I would go with a longer eye it is the superior way to attach a Biner to a climbing rope
The strength is in the double length looping through its self
John

 

[SilverBlue]

I only had one 120 length of blue streak that caused a problem long ago but it was involuntarily dispatched by a saw anyways. Go with 150 ft and absolutely get a small splice.
Brian are you converting from yellow J?

 

[jkrueger]

Thanks Rocky, et'al. Rocky if you notice any milking please let us know about it, OK?

I thought that the girth hitch was good because it socked the rope to the biner and had less movement, wear.

Jack

 

[TheTreeSpyder]

The girth to eye can self lock somewhat and reduce the direct strain on splice tail i think; the locking pull manitains full pressure, but the tail pull out pressure is reduced(?)

Also in gripping the carabiner tightly and not letting it move girth/closed cow; maintains loading on the long axis only, rather than letting the carabiner get cocked in an otherwise leveraged position of weaker strength to same pull i think.

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

You need the long eye if you use a captive eye biner or rope snap, at that point, as Brian mentioned, you might as well tie a knot.

 

[jkrueger]

Tight eye

Rocky,

Are you saying that other than the large Sherrill eye and the usual smaller by other splicers. Sherrill also will do a really teight eye? Just big enough to have to force a biner through?

Jack

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

You can put some of that plastic dip stuff on the tight eye too, to make it even tighter or to renew the tightness should it get a little loose.

 

[jkrueger]

Funny, I never noticed the tight eye in the cataloge, page 47, as a use on the climbing line. Thanks, I think I'll go that way.

And the dip, thanks.

Jack

 

[BigJohn]

Rocky you need to get your spliceing down. I can with all tools in hand turn out a 16 strand splice in about 15 minutes. I gave up on the fly. I use to do a bunch but its a ball buster. I been talking with a guy who has come up with some short cuts and says his brother can do one in under 15 so I been thinking of getting hiim to show me. I am going back to party maybe I will take a fly and have him splice it to show me.

I would go with the tight eye and not girth hitch. The girth hitch is a knot is it knot? So why the splice when your just tieing a knot anyway? Hmmmm...? Is that reduntant?

 

[NickfromWI]

I call the tight eye a "carabiner eye." And, in my eyes, it's an awesome way to attach a 'biner to the end of a climbing line. There is the argument that with the girth hitch, you are spreading the wear on the rope caused by the carabiner over 2 strands/legs of rope (the legs made by girth-hitching).

My rebuttle to this is that even with one leg of a straight carabiner eye, it still would take years to wear the eye down to the point where it can no longer be used for life support. The entire rope should have been retired before this time.

FWIW, I have 2 eyes on my Yale XTC climbing line (The "rhubarb and custard" color). I've never had problems with the milking.

I would like to reiterate the point that's been said about the girth-hitching. Why pay for the splice when you can accomplish the same function with the double fishermans knot?

love
nick

ps-- I AGREE WITH ROCKY

 

[Lumberjack]

I have 2 eyes on my BS and it still has zero milking, and soon I will be cutting off the regular eyes and splicing a tight eye in its place, but not as tight as the lanyard. When I recieved the rope it had some of the clear fishin line was showin and it is hard to slide my VT across it. It is farther down than the cross over, and I dont know what caused it?

I had another piece of BS (200') that was spliced on one end that never milked. It was cut, and is now being fashioned into lanyards and short life lines.

I made a short life line/ really long lanyard and made the eye a little too tight. I ended up having to hamer a .30 06 round through it to get it to open up enough for me to fight a petzel tri act in it.

I say it takes me 30 min to make a good 16 strand splice. I like to bury between 8-10 chevrons for a more secure splice, but I have only made a handfull of splices so I might be able to get a little faster, but I like to take my time.

 

[glens]

When I'm hammering a .30-'06 round I prefer to use a nail set in the middle to avoid deforming the base of the casing.  That circle in the middle is disposable.  If the brass gets deformed around the base, it sometimes doesn't want to allow the bolt to close/lock up.  Trying to fire such a round is unsafe.

Glen

 

[Lumberjack]

Originally posted by glens
When I'm hammering a .30-'06 round I prefer to use a nail set in the middle to avoid deforming the base of the casing.  That circle in the middle is disposable.  If the brass gets deformed around the base, it sometimes doesn't want to allow the bolt to close/lock up.  Trying to fire such a round is unsafe.

Glen

The circle in the middle is disposable??? Thats the primer. That round wont be fired anyways, but "disposing" of the "circle" would set the "works" off.

I guess I am at a loss as to what you are saying.

 

[glens]

I'm speaking smartassese.  It's not as fun to have to explain it. 

Glen

 

[jkrueger]

Originally posted by NickfromWI
I call the tight eye a "carabiner eye." And, in my eyes, it's an awesome way to attach a 'biner to the end of a climbing line. There is the argument that with the girth hitch, you are spreading the wear on the rope caused by the carabiner over 2 strands/legs of rope (the legs made by girth-hitching).

My rebuttle to this is that even with one leg of a straight carabiner eye, it still would take years to wear the eye down to the point where it can no longer be used for life support. The entire rope should have been retired before this time.

FWIW, I have 2 eyes on my Yale XTC climbing line (The "rhubarb and custard" color). I've never had problems with the milking.

I would like to reiterate the point that's been said about the girth-hitching. Why pay for the splice when you can accomplish the same function with the double fishermans knot?

love
nick

ps-- I AGREE WITH ROCKY

Did you do anything to the line before splicing both ends, like physically milking it out, etc.?

I'd like to do that with the XTC Phoenix.

I don't do my own splices and Sherrill say XTC is only spliceable at one end. Hugh?

Jack

 

[NickfromWI]

Jack, I did nothing special to the line before Splicing both ends. I find it strange that sherrill would say that XTC can't be spliced at both ends.

However, I will say that splicing both ends IS a hazard and should only be used by those that understand the risks. A person could easily milk enough slack INTO one of the spliced ends that it could loosen and come undone. Keep your eyes open!

love
nick

 

[jkrueger]

Originally posted by NickfromWI
Jack, I did nothing special to the line before Splicing both ends. I find it strange that sherrill would say that XTC can't be spliced at both ends.

However, I will say that splicing both ends IS a hazard and should only be used by those that understand the risks. A person could easily milk enough slack INTO one of the spliced ends that it could loosen and come undone. Keep your eyes open!

love
nick

Sherrill didn't say verbal and in the catalog it is listed as one end and the arbormaster is listed as choice of 2 ends spliced.

I'll call and ask for sure.

Jack