spotted owl bs

[forestryworks]

so since the spotted owl continues to die whether we log or not,
will the 24+ million acres set aside for their habitat be opened back
up for logging?

but i'm sure the greenmentals will say that we can't log there
because a fly needs to be saved...

 

[Spotted Owl]

Well I'm not gonna die any time soon I hope. That little bird caused alot of grief in these parts. I remember when there was a rally at the capital, paul bearers carried coffin of towns that were gone because of the owl shut down. One by one the town named coffins were tossed on a bon fire while that towns name was called out on a loud speaker after the name a mill and yarder whistle sounded out.

The Northern Spotted Owl was the first major tool that worked for the granola grinders, that my family clearly felt the consequences of and can remember clearly and they for darn sure aren't gonna give it up.

But there will always be something that they try to use. Some will reopen while others close at the same time. Opening will be smaller than the lock downs and vise versa.

Right now nothing is being opposed because for the most part no ground is being worked, atleast that goes for the area that I am in. The economy(building) is shot. The local mill that 6 months ago needed 290+ loads a day plus the daily train drops to keep running now has an empty yard, even the pulp mills are starting to slow because the market is now past flooded.

In my neck of the woods they have a new tool to help keep the forests healthy. That tool would be fire. I'm not totally sure how it works. The jist is that depending on human and structure saftey a wild fire caused by say lightning or what ever can be let to burn untouched. This they say will creat healthy forests. I have no doubt that this will help in some respects.

Bottom line the leaf eaters will always come up with something. If they opened there eyes they would see that those that work, make a living form, depend on the land are for the most part the most environmentally minded. If they destroy what they depend on the they, I will be out of work and not only will we suffer but so will our families. How many farms are gonna plant enough to strip the dirt of the of the nutrients needed to grow, none rotation crops are planted to give back to the ground. How many loggers are gonna be stupid and not want replanting, hillside conservation and what have you, none cause with out our families will suffer.

24+ million acres kiss it good bye from where I stand right now.


Owl

 

[olyman]

and a lot of it is aimed at forcing you and me in to being a vege eater--as they want people to comply with their screwy ways--so if they can get you to stop cutting ---they think they can get you to eat properly also----those leaf eaters have a screwy mindset---

 

[Gologit]

Well I'm not gonna die any time soon I hope. That little bird caused alot of grief in these parts. I remember when there was a rally at the capital, paul bearers carried coffin of towns that were gone because of the owl shut down. One by one the town named coffins were tossed on a bon fire while that towns name was called out on a loud speaker after the name a mill and yarder whistle sounded out.

The Northern Spotted Owl was the first major tool that worked for the granola grinders, that my family clearly felt the consequences of and can remember clearly and they for darn sure aren't gonna give it up.

But there will always be something that they try to use. Some will reopen while others close at the same time. Opening will be smaller than the lock downs and vise versa.

Right now nothing is being opposed because for the most part no ground is being worked, atleast that goes for the area that I am in. The economy(building) is shot. The local mill that 6 months ago needed 290+ loads a day plus the daily train drops to keep running now has an empty yard, even the pulp mills are starting to slow because the market is now past flooded.

In my neck of the woods they have a new tool to help keep the forests healthy. That tool would be fire. I'm not totally sure how it works. The jist is that depending on human and structure saftey a wild fire caused by say lightning or what ever can be let to burn untouched. This they say will creat healthy forests. I have no doubt that this will help in some respects.

Bottom line the leaf eaters will always come up with something. If they opened there eyes they would see that those that work, make a living form, depend on the land are for the most part the most environmentally minded. If they destroy what they depend on the they, I will be out of work and not only will we suffer but so will our families. How many farms are gonna plant enough to strip the dirt of the of the nutrients needed to grow, none rotation crops are planted to give back to the ground. How many loggers are gonna be stupid and not want replanting, hillside conservation and what have you, none cause with out our families will suffer.

24+ million acres kiss it good bye from where I stand right now.


Owl

Well said.

 

[Bushler]

Don't forget the Marbled Murrilet! Now there's a bird for you. I've seen spotted owls, but I've never seen a Marb. Murr., a relusive bird for sure.

As long as we have soft headed Federal judges sucking up to the GreenPeolple money trough, we'll never get resonable managment.

Fed judges are appointed for life and cannot be fired. I personally feel they are the most corrupt part of our system. Accepting bribes in the form of compensated 'speaking engagments'....

 

[Spotted Owl]

I miss typed that should say 200+ loads for the mill and train drops, not 290.

I'm sure they would like to be that busy though.



Owl

 

[redprospector]

Our nemisis down here is the Mexican Spotted Owl (not even a real spotted owl).
Back in the early 90's the enviro's pretty much jerked the rug out from under us. A few of us kept working as gypo's, selling logs to the smaller mills. They still allocate 600+ acres around each nest they find that can't be touched, so there is a lot of FS land that can't be logged, thinned, or anything.

The funny part is that the Lincoln National Forest is in a state of declining health, and rather than putting money towards doing anything about it the FS is building 2 new buildings for offices. I heard they are spending something over 6 million dollars on these new facilities.
Dosen't make sence to me. If my engine is knocking, I'm not going to spend my money on a new paint job.

Andy

 

[slowp]

The Mexican Spotted owl goes, "Hootaria, hootaria." Besides owls, there are plants, legacy logs, snags, spotted snails, slugs, butterflies, trees with good vibrations (not kidding, that was used unsuccessfully) trees that are named,
and areas that somebody just doesn't want logged and that's a good enough reason. Pretty sad. Once again, drives me crazy so I try not to think about it. :bang: And I'm the one who has to explain it all to the logger. :deadhorse: It is hard cuz more than a few of them lost almost everything and have had to start over. I went into The Years Of Exile because of the shutdowns. But they gave me a Tee Shirt so it was worth it.

 

[redprospector]

Haha. I was talking to one of those "owl hootin" fellows a few years ago, he said he tried hootin the way he did up north. Said the owls wouldn't hoot back, they just said no habla englis.

Andy

 

[redprospector]

The Mexican Spotted owl goes, "Hootaria, hootaria." Besides owls, there are plants, legacy logs, snags, spotted snails, slugs, butterflies, trees with good vibrations (not kidding, that was used unsuccessfully) trees that are named,
and areas that somebody just doesn't want logged and that's a good enough reason. Pretty sad. Once again, drives me crazy so I try not to think about it. :bang: And I'm the one who has to explain it all to the logger. :deadhorse: It is hard cuz more than a few of them lost almost everything and have had to start over. I went into The Years Of Exile because of the shutdowns. But they gave me a Tee Shirt so it was worth it.

Yep, lots of plants, bugs, etc.
I've got a friend that is working on the sale that never ends. He got shut down through the summer for the Mescalero Thistle (Thistle is a weed folks), and some dam salamander. In the fall he can't work on it because of the Checker Spot Butterfly. He can go back to work on it Oct. 10th I think he said, but but by Dec. the roads will be bad enough they'll shut him down again. He'll probably get to go back in around the first of March and get another month or so.
Every time they shut him down he has to move all his equipment out, and then back in. I think the enviro's are pushing for this crap to make it too expensive to be worth it.

Andy

 

[Gologit]

Don't forget the Marbled Murrilet! Now there's a bird for you. I've seen spotted owls, but I've never seen a Marb. Murr., a relusive bird for sure.
..

I've heard that they spend almost their entire life at sea and return to land only to have their young. I've seen pictures of them but I've never, in 61 years, actually seen the critter in the flesh.

I wonder if any of the people who so adamantly protect this elusive bird would even really notice if they did indeed vanish from the planet. Would any of us be terribly affected? Probably not as affected as we've been by the severe decrease in government timber sales and the subsequent mill closings.

If people are so dead set against logging they should follow up on their beliefs by divesting themselves of everything in their lives that comes, in any way shape or form, from trees. I'd admire that courage of conviction even if I didn't agree with their stance. But I don't think I have to worry...they'll never do it. But wouldn't it be fun to watch?

 

[slowp]

I should run up and take a picture of Packwood. You see, tourism was supposed to make up for the lost jobs with touristy jobs. And those folks were supposed to be glad for the lower paying jobs. Well, that hasn't panned out too well. But for 2 weekends a year, the town people rent out vendor space and Packwood becomes a mess. The old mill property becomes a pay to park lot, and the residents who don't have room to rent to the traveling vendors, try to get visitors to pay to park on the county right of way in front of their houses. Yes, it is much better than the mill and woods jobs that were lost...:censored: :censored: I flipped off a van that honked at a guy trying to get across the highway. I was trying to get across also. The honking hurt my ears...tourists!! Mind you, that mill was rigged up for the big logs though. Quite a few Doug-fir timbers came out of it. Unless it was retooled, it would have become obsolete.

 

[Humptulips]

I should run up and take a picture of Packwood. You see, tourism was supposed to make up for the lost jobs with touristy jobs. And those folks were supposed to be glad for the lower paying jobs. Well, that hasn't panned out too well. But for 2 weekends a year, the town people rent out vendor space and Packwood becomes a mess. The old mill property becomes a pay to park lot, and the residents who don't have room to rent to the traveling vendors, try to get visitors to pay to park on the county right of way in front of their houses. Yes, it is much better than the mill and woods jobs that were lost...:censored: :censored: I flipped off a van that honked at a guy trying to get across the highway. I was trying to get across also. The honking hurt my ears...tourists!! Mind you, that mill was rigged up for the big logs though. Quite a few Doug-fir timbers came out of it. Unless it was retooled, it would have become obsolete.

Within 15 miles of my home there used to be 33 shake and shingle mills by my count, pretty much all running double shifts. Now the count is 6 and they don't have enough wood to work full time or run more then one saw.