SRT Questions

[TreeJunkie]

I'll have to try the XTC, I actually picked up a bit of the Fly at TCIA, Still a little stretchy for SRT, but i love the weight and it lays into a bag really well, very compact.

 

[MasterBlaster]

Originally posted by RockyJSquirrel


If you want to try an arborist rope with virtually no stretch, try the Yale XTC. Fly stretches just as much as any other arbo rope but the XTC is truly static. [/B]

Is it a soft-lay, or a kinda hard-lay rope? I would like to try a more static line.

 

[NickfromWI]

Hey, Rock, that green and gold stuff that sherrill was selling....wasn't that made by Wall?

FWIW, I am using some XTC right now (white/yellow/red) It has just enough stretch to it. Doesn't feel any different that braided safety blue. Maybe a chance that you had one bad hank and you're judging all the XTC rope based on that one, stiff experience? I don't know, I've only been climbing on these ropes for just a few years now...these are just my humble observations.

love
nick

 

[Lumberjack]

Originally posted by John Paul Sanborn
...Rock climbers have shown that using a prusik for backup is not effective and can be unsafe.

Isn't this because if you grab the prusik it will slide, and the harder you squeeze it the faster you go?


Carl

 

[Lumberjack]

Originally posted by TreeJunkie
First of all to the previous comment about replacing km111 w/ blue streak, for reason of repelling. This doesn't make sense. This is primarilly an line used for entry into the tree. Thus repelling isn't a common issue, if you were it should be on a gri-gri , i'd, or fig. 8.. The problem w/ using blue streak or any other dynamic rope while ascending is the rope actually absorbs energy, thus you wind up spending more time and energy trying to get up than if you were on a static line.

I agree about the KM being more static than the BS, and it is a better rope for ascention. I needed a longer rope, and I liked the BS's specs. For repelling I use the i'd(worK) or the 8 (rec). The use of a more dtnamic line was a trade off. Like I said, I may give KM another try.

Some people ride the bounce back up, and use it to there advantage, getting in a rythm. I aint that fast (never tried), so that doesn't apply to me.


Do you work SRT or just ascend that way?

Carl

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

I think it is because of the way it would load if you had a failure. That they are not relyable hitches for the application.

In backup use you are not putting your hands on them.

TJ, Is that Brandon Hendrickson?

 

[dbeck]

about ascenders getting jammed w/ debris.

I remember watching masters challenge comp once and talking to the announcer while a climber was about to ascend(announcer was silent during climbs). I made a comment when I noticed the climber ascending w/o a backup. Something like aren't you supposed to be using a backup? What if the ascender gets jammed? His reply was what if your backup gets jammed?
This fella was also a recognized climber. I still haven't figured out his philosophy yet.

Ever had an ascender slide afterloading it? Only rope that has happened w/ me was true blue.

 

[Lumberjack]

Originally posted by John Paul Sanborn
I think it is because of the way it would load if you had a failure. That they are not relyable hitches for the application.

What would you recommend for a hitch. I know that Brain uses a VT. Any time I have shock loaded a 6 coil prusik, it bound up tighter than anything, and I could pull on the hitch as hard as I wanted and it wouldn't budge. I aint sayin I am right, I am just askin your opinion as to what is best.


Thanks
Carl

 

[NickfromWI]

Klemheist is easier to break after loading.

Might not be exactly what you're looking for.

love
nick

 

[Lumberjack]

It is just for a backup. If it were ever loaded, so would my drawers. Is the klemheist the one with the loop starting at the top or the bottom? I think it is the top.


Carl

 

[NickfromWI]

in the klemheist, you start from the bottom and wrap upwards.

love
nick

 

[dbeck]

for me, the klemheist is faster to tie also.

 

[TreeJunkie]

LJ

My primary purpose for my Km111 is Ascension, I would rarely work off of it. I've been using it to get up to near my tip, then transfering over to ddrt with the Fly, or Blue streak.

 

[dbeck]

tj

isn't there another purpose to using that extra line? How about leaving it in suitable place in the tree you are working JIC an aeriealrescue is needed?

 

[TreeJunkie]

Good point

I will almost always leave the Km111 in the tree for that purpose or possibly for a second rope to help w/ positioning. Good point about the Aerial Rescue, i left that i out..

 

[TheTreeSpyder]

The Klem has bight from center of chord at the top, that bottom legs throw through; then link to secure. Will give nice grip with 'loop runners'; never depended life on or descended; but forms a nice sock/chinese finger puzzle over the host line for some postitve grip.

i think the caving crew favours an ascendor knot, called 'helical'; that interestingly enough goes from support from both legs of the chord, back to 1 leg, like Blakes uninterupted list of coils, support given on one leg.