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I have a line on a 261 for a good price but the guy says the compression is 150psi. I thought it would be higher considering its not that old. What is the acceptable compression for a Stihl MS261 bought in November 2011? Will it get higher as it gets more "broke in" or is that indicative of a problem? Thanks.
 
I have a line on a 261 for a good price but the guy says the compression is 150psi. I thought it would be higher considering its not that old. What is the acceptable compression for a Stihl MS261 bought in November 2011? Will it get higher as it gets more "broke in" or is that indicative of a problem? Thanks.
it will go up as the saw is broken in. has it not been used much? some of the new stihl stratos take up to 20 to reach their full potential. 150 is well within spec.
 
Ok, good to know. He bought the saw last fall used it for one job and now is selling. "One job" could is ambiguous but it still probably hasn't seen a whole lot of use. I just thought a newer saw would be higher than 150psi but if its within spec, I can't argue that!
 
A 261 should have higher compression than that. The squish on these is about .040", more than sufficient to remove the base gasket. When that's done, they should have close to 190 PSI. I don't recall what they are stock, but starting at 150 PSI isn't going to get you there. I would definately check out the P&C. These are known for coming from the factory tuned way too lean. I have seen them at the dealer blown up.
 
I found the post where I showed what mine had stock. You're way low at 150. It should be 180. That's a big difference. LINK

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Well Brad, that's kinda what my gut was telling me. Thanks for sharing some hands-on experience/evidence. I have saws from the 70s that don't have problems so I have no interest in buying a "new" saw that does have problems. Ugh. I really wanted a 261 though.
 
Mine had just over 170 brand new - but with most gauges they all read a little different
 
Did you check it with your gauge? What are the specifics of how he tested it? Was that with just 1 pull? Could there be a problem with the decompression valve? Lots of unknowns yet in my opinion to walk away just yet. The 261 is a great saw!

Waylan
 
I have no idea about his testing methods. He lives in Canada, I am in Texas. I have sent a few more emails trying to get some more information before I abandon anything.
 
A couple warning flags I see, considering that the saw is already "imported" into Canada why would someone sell it back to the USA when they could likely get more for it within Canada?

A saw like this is not typically acquired for a single use such as many of the throw away saws are. An exception could be a widespread disaster where those type of "pro" saws were all that was left.

A highly regarded saw should be able to be marketed locally for a decent price without shipping it somewhere.

So my question would be why the current owner doesn't just sell it in the local market or on Kijiji or something?

I don't know any of the circumstances as to whether the individual lives in Northwest Territories or he might be your cousin, etc. Just the usual "if it sounds too good to be true..."

So I would suggest you move forward with caution...
 
Are you advising that he should ignore the fact that this particular saw is 20-30 PSI lower than the norm?
no, again i am stating there may or may not be an issue with that particular saw.150 psi is in spec per the service manual. do you have one of those? i would guess not, anything else you wish to know? for the record, my well used 261 is right @ 158psi, should i remove the base gasket and 1/2 off the base so it makes 200psi, or run it another season then freshen it up? please enlighten us all oh king of the saw builders.
 
What I do to a modded saw has no bearing on this issue. That's why we're discussing what normal compression is on a stock 261. In all cases, except yours, of course, compression is 170-180. For you to suggest anything other than to proceed with caution, is highly uninformed, careless, and unprofessional. You seem to believe that since it's a Stihl, there can't be anything wrong with it. Bad information it's worse than no information.
 
If 150psi is within spec, I bet it is the lower part of the range and not appropriate for a new saw, broken in or not. My very lightly used (I have run 3.5 tanks--previous owner probably didn't put more than a couple of tanks through it) 261 blows 160+. I checked it bf work this morning just for this thread.
 
A 261 should have higher compression than that. The squish on these is about .040", more than sufficient to remove the base gasket. When that's done, they should have close to 190 PSI. I don't recall what they are stock, but starting at 150 PSI isn't going to get you there. I would definately check out the P&C. These are known for coming from the factory tuned way too lean. I have seen them at the dealer blown up.

It seems silly to me that a dealer would not run the saw for the customer and tune correctly before the sale.
 
one last time for those of us who cannot see/read past the end of our nose. the saw in question may or may not have an issue. my very well worn 261 is @ 158psi and runs great,with no noticable difference between it and my newer ones. it is up to the OP if they wish to pull the exhaust and check the bore. who knows how it was tested or the quality of the testing equipment for that matter. all i am simply stating is that 150 is within spec, and i have bought/sold many a used saw w/150psi and were just fine. it is really not worth arguing about. the info comes right from the service manual, and i was simply passing it on, no more, no less. no too sure what is dangerous,unprofessional,carless or wreckless about that, other than it gives the "mister look at me" another chance to flap his gums. there are many here who think alot of you and your work, i and i respect that. but there are just as many whom see you for what you are, as i am sure there are those that think the same of me. i personally get a real kick out of watching you run a saw. i just hope you move on to your next hobby, as your kind always do, before you really hurt yourself or someone else.
 
His gauge, method of test, and elavation are factors in the reading. The saw may be perfect or ? Unless you can test it yourself and pull the muffler it's a gamble. I don't value a compression test that much. I have seen more than one saw with over 150#'s that had badly scored pistons and rings and had no power. Also ran a few with 125#'s that ran great.
 
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