Still Dead 361

[RCR 3 EVER]

Dried everything out overnight and put back together,reread instructions for 4th time,engaged decompression button,set the choke and yanked 3 times. Even though I did not hear or feel anything I flipped lever up a notch pulled 1x and it smelled flooded. I pulled out the plug for 4th time and it was loaded with gas.

 

[Lakeside53]

It's just still flooded. NEVER use choke the first time when trying to start a flooded saw... I long-arm drop-start them, but don't try this unless you are used to the saw etc..

Take out the plug, turn the saw upside down (make sure ignition is OFF) and pull it over many times to spit out the junk in the crank case.

Then, put in a new plug, and WITHOUT the decomp and WITHOUT the choke (i.e., take it down to choke them lift the lever back to "hot start"), and pull it over fast. If it doens't start in 4 pulls, put it on ground and put your toe under the throttle to open it wide and pull it over fast. if it doesn't start now, you've cleared the flood, likely need choke and just try it like book says.

 

[greengoblin]

Have you tried burning the excess gas off the plug and blowing the excess gas out of the plug hole with some compressed air. 1st time I had problems with my saw flooding, this is what the dealer did and fixed it right up.

Edit:

Well, I should have know that Andy would beat me to it and give better instructions anyhow

 

[rreidnauer]

With that much fuel getting to the plug, did you just try starting without the choking procedure, or only one pull with choke? Too much fuel, means too much choking.

Take it back to the dealer, and have him demonstrate starting again. Afterall, that's why you pay a premium for a Stihl.

Once you figure it out, you'll be happy.

 

[Lakeside53]

Well, I should have know that Andy would beat me to it and give better instructions anyhow

I have to do this about 2 times a day with homeowners and their new saws! and we tell them in detail when they buy it, and demonstrate, how to start the saw.

 

[04ultra]

Take it back to the dealer, and have him demonstrate starting again. Afterall, that's why you pay a premium for a Stihl.

Sound's like the same premium you'd pay if you bought it from a local Husky dealer...


BTW If I would buy the Husky online and had a problem the local guy would say send it back to him or wait two months for them to look at it...



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[RCR 3 EVER]

I blew compressed air on the plug and into the hole last night then let it sit overnight.
I used choke since saw was cold and had not been run for 15 hours. I thought that was what the chokes were for when you start cold engines. I will try the other suggestions again and will drive up to dealer for more thorough instructions on starting this finicky saw.
If it still does not start after trying the suggestions the dealer will have to deal with flooding.

 

[RCR 3 EVER]

Problem started yesterday after buying saw and trying to show dad my new saw. Dealer started saw showed us the stuff and when I tried it at parent's house it failed to much embarrasment. Dad then dragged out the trusty,but hefty Jonsered 621 we have used for 34 years and it started with 1 pull.
I then contacted the forum for advise and followed suggestions to try a start after saw sat for 15 hours drying out, stiil dead, going to dealer in 2 days, more than 1 hour drive.

 

[DaddyRabbit]

If its flooding just hold the throttle wide open w/no choke and crank away..

 

[RCR 3 EVER]

I just tried andy's suggestion to turn saw upside down and and gas poured out the hole as I pulled it over. Is this normal and now saw,floor and hands are soaked?

 

[XJWoody]

I think he has a 65 mile trek to the dealer, so let's try to get him going on his own.

I'd try what Lakeside 53 advised. What you are trying to do is evacuate any & all raw fuel from the crankcase. Depending where the piston is sitting in relation to the ports in the cylinder, it may not be letting the applied compressed air (or self-venting via the plug being removed overnight) do it's thing.

I once got my butt handed to me by a 1970s MotoSki Nuvik. (very basic 440cc air-cooled twin cyl/single carb 2str.) It was running OK when I swapped in a pair of new spark plugs. Then I pulled my :censored: off at the root trying to get that thing fired up again. Even tried the old plugs... No Joy... Well with some effort I got it loaded on the back of the pickup and off to the shop. Got a call the later that day to pick up the sled. The wrench said he tossed in two new plugs -just like the ones he had sold me a week earlier, that I gapped & installed, and it lit off right away. $4.00 for the plugs and no labor. Who knows. Moral of that story as it applies here: If In Doubt, Go Get & Install Another Plug... Bosch WSR6F or NGK whatever it is for the 361.

Good luck and keep us posted.

 

[greengoblin]

I am absolutely positive that if its flooded and you follow Lakeside's advice as described that you will have that thing running in no time. Most around here think he usually knows a little bit about stihl saws.:hmm3grin2orange:

 

[Bowtie]

I will trade you for my new ms 290, it starts very easy, I will even pay shipping on both saws!

 

[greengoblin]

I just tried andy's suggestion to turn saw upside down and and gas poured out the hole as I pulled it over. Is this normal and now saw,floor and hands are soaked?

Yep, that would be the excess gas that is causing the flooding

 

[rreidnauer]

Sound's like the same premium you'd pay if you bought it from a local Husky dealer...

Touchette! :sword: Yes, true of any local dealer. I would have said the same if he said it was a Husky bought from a local dealer. (though I would have added "bought from a dealer" to the end of the sentence. )

 

[2000ssm6]

I will trade you for my new ms 290, it starts very easy, I will even pay shipping on both saws!

Oh Noooo, not the dreaded 290, ahhhhhhh I'm running:fart:

 

[RCR 3 EVER]

If the gas pouring out of the hole is normal, I did not know this would happen so I stopped and turned saw back around.Do I continue until nothing comes out and what do I have to do to dry off the saw afterward of all the gas in crevices,I am not up to taking the thing completely apart. I usually end up with extra parts.

 

[West Texas]

Blow it dry with compressed air, put in a new dry plug if you have one, if not, blow it dry too. Then go back to "Lakesides" original instructions and start the saw.

 

[Sprig]

^^^yup^^^

If the gas pouring out of the hole is normal, I did not know this would happen so I stopped and turned saw back around.Do I continue until nothing comes out and what do I have to do to dry off the saw afterward of all the gas in crevices,I am not up to taking the thing completely apart. I usually end up with extra parts.

Paper towels and go wash yer hands with soap and water
Continue, as Andy said, till nothing is coming out, you have air so blow things dry, make sure you're in a well vented area eh!
Probably take a bit more pullin' to fire it up, unless its freezin' out leave the choke off imo, went through this with my new one too (posted in ms270 or 280 thread), it flooded second pull with choke on DOH! It be fine now so take heart, you'll figure it out and be happy ya did it yourself



Serge

 

[billyjoejr]

The gas coming out the spark plug hole is normal if flooded.
Try to picture how a two stroke works. The gas goes from tank-carb-crankcase-combustion chamber.
The flooded saw has pooled gas in the crankcase which you want to get out.
Holding it upside down and pulling it over is the quickest way to do this.

Also the main reason for full choke on a cold start is to suck the fuel mix into the combustion chamber quicker, not for fuel air mixture like a fourstroke. If the fuel mix is already there(from being previously flooded) there is no need for the choke.

http://www.howstuffworks.com/two-stroke.htm

From Stihl:
How to Start a STIHL Chain Saw http://www.stihllibrary.com/stream/STIHL_start_chainsaw.wmv