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I seem to be back on their mailing list. I got a cool window sticker that I will save for a "special" occasion. Now, since their mailing envelope is postage paid, anybody got anything they want me to send the Sierra Club? I usually cross out words in their mass mailing prewritten requests to senators, then tell them "It aint so." in a lengthy document. The theme this time is that the TIMBER COMPANIES MUST BE STOPPED. The Sierra club is hinting that the Giant Sequoias are about to be clearcut and show one of the monster sized ones to help drive that point. So, I'll hook up the printer and try to send them any good suggestions from out there and stuff that envelope till it is about to burst--and more postage due.

They sent a nifty stick on calendar too.
 
Send a pic of a stump, and sprinkle some saw chips in the envelope.

Include a note that reads "Your mass mailing to loggers killed this tree and hundreds more..MURDERERS!!".

I hate those sanctimonious, Hemp wearing, patchouli reeking, hippy bastards.

Stay safe!
Dingeryote
 
dingeryote said:
Send a pic of a stump, and sprinkle some saw chips in the envelope.

Include a note that reads "Your mass mailing to loggers killed this tree and hundreds more..MURDERERS!!".

I hate those sanctimonious, Hemp wearing, patchouli reeking, hippy bastards.

Stay safe!
Dingeryote
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Good one, tree hugging culls, makes me puke.
 
One of my Forestry Professors told me that the Sierra club was solely responsible for INVENTING the whole notion of SPOTTED OWL's and their habitual relationship w/ old growth for no other reason than to save Old Growth from being cut. It was a fabricated lie, one of many, that the Sierra Club continually invents as it finds new ideas to better design our forest lands for the elitists of society. To me, I find the Sierra Club, a complete contrast of what I believe our Country should promote. The sierra club is infatuated w/ trying to pass more laws that are infringements upon American's....and I'm not just talking about USFS land and the National Parks. I'm talking about how many offspring they think a family should be allowed to have, how we should limit our consumption of meat because PETA is a huge supporter of their cause, how all technology is bad until proven useful for conservational issues....The list goes on about why I'm NOT a supporter of the SIERRA CLUB. If you are a supporter, you had better look really deep into what is really going on behind the scenes w/ the Sierra Club.


Good luck w/ that SlowP. Let us know if you get'm good with postage!
 
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Have to do a little digging, think I still have and old bumper sticker that read something like--

" THE SIERRA CLUB CAN KISS MY AXE "

:greenchainsaw:
 
I don't think it will do much good to ask them any questions.
They don't seem to think they need to answer any questions unless you're in agreement with their line of thinking. At least the ones I talked to in the early 90's felt that way.

Andy
 
I'd fill the envelope full of saw chips. Maybe soak 'em in hydraulic oil.
 
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Please, OH PLEASE, ask them where and who is going to log this old growth redwood and PM me the info.
 
I wish I had a scanner. I'll put in bits and pieces of what they sent me. Here's just one bit of their many paged (says printed on recycled paper) mailing.

THE MIGHTY SEQUOIA...
Giant Sequoias are the most massive trees on the planet. Many of these cinnamon-colored giants stand almost as tall as the Statue of Liberty and date back 3500 years, making them among the largest and oldest trees on Earth.

The world's remaining Giant Sequoias are scattered throughout the Sierra Nevada, but over half of the groves lie within the boundaries of the Giant Sequoia National Monument, which was created by President Bill Clinton in 2000. The proclamation, a historic conservation victory, came only after Sierra Club Activists spent two decades fighting to protect the Giant Sequioia ecosystem from the destructive logging and road building that went on during the 1980s and 1990s.

The heart of the Gieant Sequoia National Monument proclamation was a prohibition against commercial logging within its boundaries to protect the Giant Sequoia ecosystem in perpetuity.

But the logging industry wants to undermine this proclamation and allow destructive logging in theis ecologically sensitiver treasure... a move that would threaten the survival of Giant Sequoias. It is essential for us to beat back the logging industry and protect this precious place.

The Sierra Club needs your immediate support to preserve the Giant Sequoia National Monument and other endangered wildlands during this critical time. Please respond right away.

Back to me..I do plan to respond right away. I haven't found the buzzword pristine yet. But there are many things to be read in this mailing.

There's a postcard like colored picture of 1970ish looking hikers going by a humongus tree on a sunny day. The back of the card tells me that,
"The greatest of the mighty Sequoias have lasted for nearly 3500 years. Don't let them be destroyed by logging in the Giant Sequoia National Monument. Please join the fight and the Sierra Club today!

I do know of one person who joined the Sierra Club thinking that if enough like-minded people joined, they would over throw the tree huggers in it. But that hasn't happened.
 
Then there's 3 oh so original form notes (not quite letters) that I am supposed to sign. One to Pres. Obama, one to Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, and one to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. Each one says,

Dear (one of the above)

I am writing to urge you to use your power as Senate Majority Leader to finally bring real protection to the Giant Sequoia National Monument by transferring management from the U.S. Forest Service, which has shown little regard (ouch!) toward protecting this beautiful place, to the National Park Service (they have better hats) , which will better preserve this natural treasure. It will be a tragedy if the timber industry is allowed to log in this very special, unique site. Now is the time to insist on real protection. (no definition on real)

The vast majority of Americans strongly support preserving our natural heritage for future generations, Giant Sequoias are among the oldest trees on the planet. Many took root before our great-great grandparents were born, (yup, that's a scientific statement) and will live to see our great-great-grandchildren --if we don't destroy them first. I urge you to use you position to protect the Giant Sequoia National Monument.
Thank you,

Those buggers know my real name and address!

But wait, there's more. :chainsaw:
 
Does it actually say that the redwoods, specifically, will be logged? Or is it just another ploy to appeal to the well meaning but misinformed?

The Sierra Club makes no secret of the fact that their agenda includes the eventual prohibition of all logging...not just old growth.

So..does it say that they're really going to log old growth redwood or are they just using that as a scare tactic?

If you want to send them something why not a nice piece of redwood and a bottle of crude oil? You could lable one "renewable resource" and the other "finite resource"
 
New Hampshire used to be as conservative as Wyoming 10 or 15 years ago.
"Live Free or Die" really meant something, and this wouldn't have had legs back then. Now, N.H. is a last holdout in New England.

However, sometimes there is glimmer of hope (bet this isn't in the SC news):

By Associated Press
February 10, 2009 2:15 PM
CONCORD — A federal appeals court has rejected an attempt by environmental groups to block two logging projects in New Hampshire's White Mountain National Forest.

The Sierra Club, Wilderness Society and Center for Biological Diversity argued the U.S. Forest Service violated several federal laws as it reviewed two timber cutting options.

The 1st U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said many of the groups' arguments were too general and that disagreeing with Forest Service conclusions is not enough to warrant a more thorough review.

The Than and Batchelder Brook projects involve logging on about 1,300 acres.

Authoritative source site for this Ruling:

http://www.ca1.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/getopn.pl?OPINION=08-1978P.01A

I've heard that even Juniper cutting is under fire in the state of Eastern Oregon. Wasn't that way 8 or 9 years back.
 
sierra club.

the sierra club is probly rejoicing in the fact mills are closing down and people are being let go.these people are sick and have no idea about getting a pay chech, paying your rent,buying groceries, and trying to support a family on your wages.gologit,sequaias are a little bit different here,big trees state park is full of some big ones on hwy. 4.their kinda like a big cedar,they dont take in water from the fog like redwoods, I think. I have a seven footer growing in my front yard, it is old,it is a growth,but when I add on to my house it will be posts.slowp, tell the seirra club to pound sand.see ya, dan.
 
the thing the sierra club doesn't realize is that if we leave the redwood's of yester year they will be no good for anything and will fall becoming a threat to anyone in the way of a falling tree.the way i feel is we should log an replant the redwoods and sequoia's for the next gen. but im only a youngin so you can completly diregard this post.just my opinion.
 
chainsawboy1996 said:
the thing the sierra club doesn't realize is that if we leave the redwood's of yester year they will be no good for anything and will fall becoming a threat to anyone in the way of a falling tree.the way i feel is we should log an replant the redwoods and sequoia's for the next gen. but im only a youngin so you can completly diregard this post.just my opinion.
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The old growth Sequoia are protected and are not in any danger of being logged. They where protected long before Clinton was ever on the seen.
The true giants should be protected, They are rare, and irreplaceable. Some of them are over 40 feet in diameter. They where here a long time before we got here and they will be here for long time after we are gone.
What I suspect is happening is salvage logging of beetle and fire killed timber on the west slope of the Sierras (the only place old growth Sequoias live) and the knee jerk reaction is to say that it is endangering the Sequoias.
The last time I was in the parks they where in desperate need of danger tree removal. There where widow makers everywhere.
 
joesawer said:
The old growth Sequoia are protected and are not in any danger of being logged. They where protected long before Clinton was ever on the seen.
The true giants should be protected, They are rare, and irreplaceable. Some of them are over 40 feet in diameter. They where here a long time before we got here and they will be here for long time after we are gone.
What I suspect is happening is salvage logging of beetle and fire killed timber on the west slope of the Sierras (the only place old growth Sequoias live) and the knee jerk reaction is to say that it is endangering the Sequoias.
The last time I was in the parks they where in desperate need of danger tree removal. There where widow makers everywhere.
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This is what I suspect also. No where does it say the big ones will be cut. Only that they must be protected from logging. More slick advertising. Maybe the recession is affecting them too and since they lost the Mass. case, need more money.

There are some Sequoias growing around here, I can chip some bark off of one and mail it. The trees were planted in the 1930s. Two grew too large and were cut down. It was a case of CCC planted trees vs. CCC constructed buildings.
 
You know they came to our area on a job. Spoke there peace and then all of a sudden the forestservice asked why all the blowdown stumps were stood back up and the treehuggers were gone.(my answer was i dont know why)never saw them again wounder where tey went.
 

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