Taking out small tree tops

[huskycandoit]

I was climbing just last Sunday and i go to the top a now it was time to take it out. My brother sent me up an endless loop. I did the front cut or notch then put the endless loop on, then i started on the back cut while i was cutting the loop kept getting in the way and sometime I hit it with the Silky. But eventually the top came down. So then I tied a lowering line to the endless loop and lowered it to the "groundie". Do any of guys have an easy solution to this.

 

[treeman82]

From your diagram, either lower it off the other side, or butt hitch it. I prefer to lower it off the other side for the simple reason that there is no slack.

 

[NeTree]

Make yer notch FIRST. Then place the line.

 

[MasterBlaster]

Hahaha!!!

Ummm... sorry..

:alien: :alien: :alien:

 

[huskycandoit]

Make yer notch FIRST. Then place the line.

If u read carefully it says "I did the front cut or notch then put the endless loop on."

 

[NeTree]

If u read carefully it says "I did the front cut or notch then put the endless loop on."

I missed it, sorry.

So how was the loop getting in the way?

 

[Tree Machine]

So then I tied a lowering line to the endless loop and lowered it to the "groundie".

Here's one of a NUMBER ways you can do it, this one involving use the sling. I describe it this way, assuming the limb needs to go down that side of the tree. Otherwise, treeman82's way is going to work, as will a number of other ways.

Personally, I have spliced eyes on the ends of my lowering lines, so I don't use a sling on the limb to be lowered, just put a steel biner on the eye and choker it. If it's a removal, I use natural crotches, as shown.

I make a game of controlling the limb to be cut right up until the final fiber is to let loose, put away saw, push with hand to initiate the fell. Often you can do the notch and a portion of the back cut with the chainsaw. Shut it off. Finish your back cut with the Silky. To know when the limb is about to go, keep an eye on the furthest tip. When that moves, you're at the moment. Take this moment to do a quick triple check of your system. I don't like to have a chainsaw running when limbs and ropes are moving if I don't have to.

 

[pbtree]

I agree with Tree Machine. I also do not like to have a running chain saw when the action starts to happen.

Normally I get it close to the let go point, and give a push with my hand to get the limb to fell. Otherwise a hand saw will complete the needed cut.

 

[huskycandoit]

netree,
Its ok, I miss things to when I read and type. But when I was cutting the branch the loop started to come closer to the branch, it wouldn't hang like it is the in the drawing. I think I could put a steel ****** on there just to wate it but I like Tree Machines idea better. Just tie it to a lowering rope and let it run.
So thx guys!!

 

[Tree Machine]

Spliced rope ends are well worth it.

Here, you're pasted to the tree facing it. You're doing the lowering yourself. The picture shows what you want to happen, what treeman82 says.

 

[NeTree]

Excellent.

 

[MasterBlaster]

I tried to resist.

 

[MasterBlaster]

But, I couldn't!

 

[Tree Machine]

some Murph finesse

I like to use the tapered hinge. That's where you take the back cut, and weight it a lot thicker on the tension side of the cut (top side) to get the limb to fall toward the direction you want, SNAP, and have the limb continue momentum in that direction, which in this case is around, to the left, across the backside, and down stage left.

You should know that this is NOT how to do heavy rigging. This is light-to-medium rigging Less than 3-400 lb 135-180 Kg) at most. Note that two identical steel caribiners should be used, to increase the radius bend at the point of force (no longer a natural crotch, but a sling and biner as a 'false' crotch).

 

[NeTree]

You mean, some "Dent" finesse.

 

[NeTree]

Far as that goes, if you want it to fall left or right, notch it there. Simple.

 

[Tree Machine]

It really is. The not having to tie and untie knots really affects the swiftness of setting any given rig. caribiners are your friend. Slings are a way of life. Think about what you're doing, don't go too big, double check, triple check. Keep it safe.

 

[NeTree]

Well, given some experience knot tying shouldn't add anything signifigant, either...

 

[Tree Machine]

Efficiency being viewed differently

Ah, but it does. If clipping a biner around a limb and back to the rope takes one second, and tying a bowline takes 4 seconds, tying the knot takes 400% more time. You say, only adds a few seconds, I say "takes 4 times as long". You need two hands to tie a knot. I only need one.

 

[huskycandoit]

MasterBlaster

Hey, I bet you had it easy on that one because you probably had nothing below. I had a fence and a house below me and next to me. Heres a pic..
My brothers in the tree after i got out to do the chuckin out work because im not really aloud to use a chainsaw. AS you can see in the pic. the right side of the tree is the side I was on if your didn't know. THX