tenex rope nothin better

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sorry

Good posting.........sage advice for the guy who can start a thread with four words and a guitar smilie, and whose other claims to fame are that he's been in tree work for 15 years at age 26, and that he has 3 GRCS's, (Oh, by the way, did you know you can make them? Its EZ.)

what i ment 2 say is i started in the biz at 15yrs old did i say the grcs is easy 2 make with the 3 i have i only like 1 of them they were made by Don at Gouldies welding on allentown rd in montgomery county Pa. i think he is the owners son. u can buy the winch on ebay like i did the first 2 but i recomend a new1 from boaters world because i know its new and tight

 

[TheTreeSpyder]

A time and place for all things

i hope it is clear what MM pointed out about Static and Dynamic Loading vs. Static & Dynamic Position; that Ekka referred to.

i think nothing is perfect, and Tenex is good for some applications. Amsteel is spliceable, but pretty slippery. Some of our high priced cords are pretty stiff/ easily leveraged around the tight bight of a lifeline, to lose a lot of their high strength etc. For sure Amsteel being 7x stronger than steel yet floats on water is better weight to tensile ratio than Tenex and many other things.

i carry Sherrill Foins + Dyneema $lings for light strength; but also 2 steel krabs for their utility and as throw weights to cover all bases. i do like 3/8" Tenex for friction hitch; but then i liked 3strand for Taut/Blake's split tail too. i do have a friction hitch that will hold in Dyneema slings (round rope and even 1" flat loop) if they break, giving adjsutable eye to eye sling; but can't find name of it/ will have to draw sometime.

i don't think most rounds grip the same, nor maintain that great strength on as tight a bight as Tenex. Tenex doesn't improperly distort like a round cord or flat rope/webbing; it is automatically flat when it should be and round when it should be to maximize i think. This tendency even can kinda screw up the magician's trick of making a what knot or 'granny + thief = grief knot'. For the Tenex can lock even if the whatnot/grief knot is in half hitch lock or open mode; fairly well (after some travel); not just walk off the job if the knot isn't dressed into half hitches properly as classically noted in round cord. Sailor's will take the core out of a line to make it lay flat and grip another line or mast (like Tenex does); like to hang a pulley jig on spar or to pull on line; and call it a selvagee.

16 strand core is just to keep rope round, otherwise it is kinda a 16 strand 12(plus a lil stiffer to make it stay round)? (Though i have collapsed/flattened some hollow/12 strand ArborPlex in my time). If a tree can have half it's inner core missing, if no outside violation to diameter, and only be less 6% of it's strength; what of rope?

Another consideration in price; is width; black widow will cut into hand and bark because for that price and tensile ratio; ya get skinny line holding a lot of weight; making it knife like.

 

[NickfromWI]

this stuff is cheep and i use it for sfl custom length smooth n streamline i also make friction savor with ring n biner and cover bridge with nylon tube any color eye 2 eye. makes nice bridge on b2 saddle just cover with nylon tube. makes chit load more and comes in different grades n sizes 3/8 2 1in great stuff n very strong :rockn:

I don't like using tenex/yalex for a bridge on saddles. You can't make it very short. I like mine to be around 8".

Have you found a way to make an eye-eye that short with this rope?

love
nick

 

[NickfromWI]

People tend to say Tenex when what they really mean is a hollow core, 12 strand rope. What many people fail to realize is there are many different materials used to make 12 strand ropes.
For making slings, price is a factor, but really not much of one because slings are short, so if you make a two foot sling and pay 50 cents a foot for Tenex, verses $1.25 a foot for some good rope, you only save about what? $3.
Or you could look at it in terms of cost per pound of breaking strength. Then Tenex doesn't look so good compared to the better ropes like Amsteel, Tech-12 or Yalex, to name a few.
I like slings I have to carry on my saddle, I want to be as small and light as possible to get the job done. I don't want to carry around big bulky Tenex, when I can carry little thin Amsteel and have the same strength.
When it comes down to it though, I have never liked 12 strand for any tree work applications. There are alway better choices.

Great post!

 

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I don't like using tenex/yalex for a bridge on saddles. You can't make it very short. I like mine to be around 8".

Have you found a way to make an eye-eye that short with this rope?

love
nick

with a bremble lock u can make small eye & eyes with a short burried tail. bremble locking does take away from the brk strength. im not sure if bremble lock is the right name but it is similar. u must always stitch lock 4 extra safety using 1 fid length and 1 strand of the same rope or similar construction.

 

[NickfromWI]

Locking Brummell or it might be Locking Brummel.

There is some dispute, or different trains of thought as to wether or not a locked Brummell should be spliced with a long or short bury. Some say, "the lock IS the splice" and so a short (long fid?) tail would be acceptable. Some say the lock is simply there to keep the splice from slipping and the strength comes from the bury, so it's essential to maintain normal buried tail length.

I like short tails on a locked Brummell, personally.

love
nick