And wouldn't ya know it... it's raining cats and dogs out there. I'm tempted to go cut some anyway. I'm leaving for the Kentucky Lumberjack Challenge directly after work tomorrow, so I'll not get to run it till Sunday. Bah.
Ian
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Got a garage???
Set up a log......open the door.......make a few cuts!!!
I know I couldn't stand the waiting!!!
Set up a log......open the door.......make a few cuts!!!
I know I couldn't stand the waiting!!!
Rydaddy
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Haywire, I just got my 359 back from Dave as well. I am planning on cutting on Saturday but the weather doesn't look like it is going to cooperate around here either!
Haywire, I just got my 359 back from Dave as well. I am planning on cutting on Saturday but the weather doesn't look like it is going to cooperate around here either!
Wow, 361 and a 359...should be interesting to hear the news on how they do after the mods.
No garage...The rain slacked off some so I just got wet. 
I cut a few cookies off the fat end of that black locust log I had set up. After I put on the dual dogs, the end of the 18" bar was just sticking out of the other side of the log about 1/2". I didn't figure out till about 4 cookies later that the chain oiler was set to minimum. It seemed to cut better after I maxed it out (duh). I used 3/8 .050 Stihl RSC and Woodsman Pro 30RC from Bailey's. Let me point out that I've never run full chisel before, so my impressions may be all off. The RSC seemed to be grabbier than the 30RC, and the 30RC seemed to be faster. It was during the change to the 30RC that I noticed the bar was warm and turned the oiler up, so that may account for something there. I could bog it in that locust fairly easily if I leaned on it hard. I suppose it's no 660 and I can't expect it to act as if it were. If I listened to it and pushed it just enough to hear the tone change it threw out a pile of chips in a hurry. Another thing to keep in mind is this saw has a grand total of 2 tanks of gas thru it, so I expect things to get better and better for the next 10 or so. If the chain proves to be as grabby as it seemed this evening, I beleive I will go back to semi-chisel like I have always run before.
I'll get some times and try the video thing on Sunday.
Ian
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I cut a few cookies off the fat end of that black locust log I had set up. After I put on the dual dogs, the end of the 18" bar was just sticking out of the other side of the log about 1/2". I didn't figure out till about 4 cookies later that the chain oiler was set to minimum. It seemed to cut better after I maxed it out (duh). I used 3/8 .050 Stihl RSC and Woodsman Pro 30RC from Bailey's. Let me point out that I've never run full chisel before, so my impressions may be all off. The RSC seemed to be grabbier than the 30RC, and the 30RC seemed to be faster. It was during the change to the 30RC that I noticed the bar was warm and turned the oiler up, so that may account for something there. I could bog it in that locust fairly easily if I leaned on it hard. I suppose it's no 660 and I can't expect it to act as if it were. If I listened to it and pushed it just enough to hear the tone change it threw out a pile of chips in a hurry. Another thing to keep in mind is this saw has a grand total of 2 tanks of gas thru it, so I expect things to get better and better for the next 10 or so. If the chain proves to be as grabby as it seemed this evening, I beleive I will go back to semi-chisel like I have always run before.I'll get some times and try the video thing on Sunday.
Ian
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Chain does make a huge difference. I took my muff modded 361 with 16" bar and .325 Stihl RM, just over 8 seconds in 8x8 poplar.
Switched over to Oregon LP, .325 and shaved a full 2 seconds off the time in the same wood.
You will notice full chisel is grabier than semi, but it cuts a hell of allot faster. If you feel its to grabby off the reel, as you file it down, you can set your rakers at .020, instead of the .025 thats it comes from the factory with.
Switched over to Oregon LP, .325 and shaved a full 2 seconds off the time in the same wood.
You will notice full chisel is grabier than semi, but it cuts a hell of allot faster. If you feel its to grabby off the reel, as you file it down, you can set your rakers at .020, instead of the .025 thats it comes from the factory with.
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And if its like that shouldn't you have the dogs in so you're not fighting the pull of the cutting edges? Seems to me, unless its a slow dull saw, that a bit of grab-n-cut is how you could judge a smaller saw and judge how a saw is cutting, when you pull a bar back from the dogs you'll feel what the saw is doing every time, now put the saw in and let it do its work. Now I must say that every cut is different and like skin cells or somehin' the dynamics (word of the day lol) of each is subtly different, the chain dulls, the wood becomes denser, what ever. If you are getting a nice aggressive cut the chips should be flying and, working safely and off too the side, you can pull the bar back a bit and feel the pull of the teeth, the 'grab' you have described, probably as you're slowing you will notice more. Find out what the proper tooth angles are and use them. At high RPMs and he niceness of good saws becomes apparent to me, as everything smooths out and you feel so little grab that you don't notice the chips you're wading through, a great feeling for some I'm sure. Sharp is good. I'd love to see someone do some close-ups of thrown chips listed by wood type, saw used, chain, chain, chain. Of course it all depends on what you are cutting too when mine starts to pull like that I sharpen the teeth. Have I de-railed this enough yet? :rockn: :rockn: 
gah >.<
gah >.<
Lakeside53
Stihl Wrenching
Ombesb said:
It is best for small saws... Turns to semi-skip real fast if you shock it with too much HP..
Sprig said:
Yes. If I had the dogs against the wood and kept the rpms up, the grabbiness wasn't as noticable. It was when I pushed too hard, bogged it and was backing off that the grabbiness was evident.
I think it'll be a different story when I get into something more along the lines of what I usually cut, that is, 10-14" white or red oak. That 17" of Black Locust is some hard stuff. Makes me wonder just now easy the softwood of the west coast cuts since Andy says they sell 361s out there with 28" bars regularly. I can't imagine it running a bar that long very well.
Ian
Ombesb said:
No, not narrower kerf....Stihl RM is semi-chisel, Oregons LP is round ground full chisel.
They were both .325, which is best for small saws. When I bought the 361 I had a 16" bar already, but in .325, so thats what I bought chains for.
Lakeside53
Stihl Wrenching
If we didn't cut in the rain out here Nov though April (sometime add in October, May and June), nothing would be cut!
314epw said:
I don't own a rain jacket. I'm a "fair weather" participant in anything I do. As a general rule, if it's raining outside, I'm inside.
Ian
Ombesb said:
I think it does stand for Low Profile....but Oregons NK is Narrow Kerf. The LP has the same kerf as the RM in .325, at least mine did.
talon1189
"Da Smiley King"
Hey Ian ...........How much louder is your modified 361 compared to when it was stock? :greenchainsaw: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Talon
Definately louder, but it's not too bad. The first thing I noticed when I cranked it up is that there is more exhaust and it's 'smokier' than it used to be.
Ian
Ian
GASoline71
Mr. Nice Guy
Lakeside53 said:If we didn't cut in the rain out here Nov though April (sometime add in October, May and June), nothing would be cut!
Ain't that the truth!!!:biggrinbounce2: :biggrinbounce2: :biggrinbounce2:
Gary
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Well, Don't care what it sounds like. how does it perform,Haywire Haywood said:
compared to a stack 361 ?
How does your saw start.
At Idle is it smoother or does it still feel like it is having a seizor ?
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