The market in Ireland

[hollisimo]

Hello,

Any Irish arborists out there? I'm 34 and thinking about changing careers from IT into tree care, and opening my own practice in the north east. I'm wondering how healthy the market is in this country- is it possible to survive through tree surgery alone or are currently practicioners also running a landscaping or nursery business with tree care on the side? Is it better to focus on commercial contracts or private clients?

All advice welcome, and thanks!

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Martin.

 

[diltree]

I spent a few weeks in Ireland this past June, It was very apparent that the British had robbed the country of most of its trees and forests over the past 200 years. The oldest trees I observed were in the park in Dublin, there where some huge sycamore maples that were very impressive. I imagine that the Tree care market is not what it is in Ireland compared to the United States.

 

[OTG BOSTON]

I spent a few weeks in Ireland this past June, It was very apparent that the British had robbed the country of most of its trees and forests over the past 200 years.

Easy Dill
Are you trying to start up the North\South war again???? they're finally getting some peace over there.

 

[Thetreewisemen]

I spent a few weeks in Ireland this past June, It was very apparent that the British had robbed the country of most of its trees and forests over the past 200 years. The oldest trees I observed were in the park in Dublin, there where some huge sycamore maples that were very impressive. I imagine that the Tree care market is not what it is in Ireland compared to the United States.

Hello mate, got any proof to back up that claim? I'm British and worked in Ireland for their govt. forestry dept.(Coillte, if you want the Gaelic name) for quite a while. I worked in county Cork aka The Rebel County where anti-Brit sentiment was probably the strongest. Not once did I hear the British accused of "stealing our trees". Now I know that the British carried out some outrageous acts in Ireland, and the Irish responded accordingly. But until you want to back up that claim with some FACTS, I feel that you should keep your daft theories to yourself. It is proven that most of the deforestation in Ireland took place in the 16th and 17th centuries, before the idea of the I.R.B or an 'Ireland' even existed and before the British hunger for timber for warships, industrial revolution etc. had been set in place. Most, if not all the timber for Royal Navy 'ships of the line' (during the Napoleonic wars) came from the forests in the south of England, (and it took quite a few acres of mature English oak to make just one ship) which were geographically sited near to the south coast ports. I'm not denying that we Brits ever removed timber from the Emerald Isle, but to come out with such a sweeping statement that we robbed the country of most of it's trees is a bit wide of the mark as far as I'm concerned. I'm curious, how in your misinformed eyes was it 'very apparent'?
Next you'll be saying the blight that caused the potato famine was our fault.

 

[OTG BOSTON]

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Hello mate, got any proof to back up that claim? I'm British and worked in Ireland for their govt. forestry dept.(Coillte, if you want the Gaelic name) for quite a while. I worked in county Cork aka The Rebel County where anti-Brit sentiment was probably the strongest. Not once did I hear the British accused of "stealing our trees". Now I know that the British carried out some outrageous acts in Ireland, and the Irish responded accordingly. But until you want to back up that claim with some FACTS, I feel that you should keep your daft theories to yourself. It is proven that most of the deforestation in Ireland took place in the 16th and 17th centuries, before the idea of the I.R.B or an 'Ireland' even existed and before the British hunger for timber for warships, industrial revolution etc. had been set in place. Most, if not all the timber for Royal Navy 'ships of the line' (during the Napoleonic wars) came from the forests in the south of England, (and it took quite a few acres of mature English oak to make just one ship) which were geographically sited near to the south coast ports. I'm not denying that we Brits ever removed timber from the Emerald Isle, but to come out with such a sweeping statement that we robbed the country of most of it's trees is a bit wide of the mark as far as I'm concerned. I'm curious, how in your misinformed eyes was it 'very apparent'?
Next you'll be saying the blight that caused the potato famine was our fault.

I thought you limeys were known for your senses of humor??? Lighten up, god save the queen and all that, cheers:newbie:

 

[Thetreewisemen]

We have a decent sense of humour allright, it's just that with all sh*tty things that the British empire actually did do around the world, I don't see why we should be accused of being responsible for the deforestation of a neighbouring country........Sorry if I came across as being heavy handed in my response, I just thought that he was heavy handed in his accusation, with what appears to be no evidence to back it up.

 

[OTG BOSTON]

We have a decent sense of humour allright, it's just that with all sh*tty things that the British empire actually did do around the world, I don't see why we should be accused of being responsible for the deforestation of a neighbouring country........Sorry if I came across as being heavy handed in my response, I just thought that he was heavy handed in his accusation, with what appears to be no evidence to back it up.

What'd you expect from a 'tick headed Irishman?

 

[Thetreewisemen]

What'd you expect from a 'tick headed Irishman?

Having lived in Ireland for a couple years, I expect all the usual crap upto and including; bad attitude, rampant drunkeness and physical violence...........you know, all the things us tree guys thrive on, regardless of nationality!!

 

[OTG BOSTON]

Exactly!!!

Having lived in Ireland for 2 years, I expect bad attitude, rampant drunkeness and physical violence...........you know, all the things us tree guys thrive on, regardless of nationality!!

In Dil's defense, most of us second and third generation Irish Americans are spoonfed the whole "England is bad" thing, from the cradle.

I hang at a bar with people from both parts of the Ireland, the only real difference is the whisky they drink! That and guys from the north like a splash of sprite in their beer

 

[Thetreewisemen]

I know mate, this world is rife with mis-information.........we are all fed it from an early age, and continue to be, it's just that some people actually swallow it! I just feel that people shouldn't 'sound off' without having the relevant info to back it up......know what I mean? I have had numerous disagreements with quite a few so called Irish-Americans (countless more than with Irishmen back in their own country) who have never even been to Ireland, let alone have a grasp of the real history and facts concerning the whole Anglo/Irish thing. Not trying to pick a row or anything.......but I do enjoy a bit of heated discussion. And I still reckon that we didn't steal all their f**king trees!!! LOL. Oh, and fyi, I couldn't give a toss about 'her majesty', why do you think I choose to live here and not THERE?!

 

[hornett22]

i think the british.........

have carried out some outrageous acts everywhere.thanks again for jaguar and land rover.not sure we'll ever forgive you for that.:hmm3grin2orange:

 

[Thetreewisemen]

McDonalds?? nuf said! And Ford, an American company that just couldn't wait to snap up both Jaguar and Landrover.......so someone over here must have thought that their cars were half decent.......we back home have known that they were crap for years! LOL

 

[diltree]

Wow.....Im an Irish American, I have been to Ireland, and when I asked folks what happened to all the forests in Ireland; the response was that the British used the tree's to build their ships. It was my understanding that Ireland came under English control in the 17th century and was joined with Great Britain by the Act of Union in 1801. After the Easter Rebellion (1916) and a war of independence (1919–1921) the Island was split into the independent Irish Free State (now Ireland) and Northern Ireland, which is still part of Great Britain. The 17th century seize of Ireland parallels the the height of the Royal navy's "arms race" with France. The Royal Navy grew considerably during the global struggle with France that started in 1690 and culminated in the Napoleonic Wars(1805-1815), a time when the practice of fighting under sail was developed to its highest point, and the demand to increase the size of the British navy had reached its pinnacle. During this period Ireland's Forests served as a valuable and essential resource for the British Navy, and as an immediate resource to build ships to export resources from the colonies in America, and ensure these resources would safely be exported home to Britain. This information is a fact, and I support my original statement that Great Britain is responsible for the deforestation in Ireland, not to mention the deforestation of their own country (Southern England), You cant even find an English oak down there!

 

[2stroke2]

hello Hollisimo
I Have a cousin who has a arborist company just outside Lurgan , he has about 5 guys working for him . He has a contract with the electric board for clearing lines and such ,but he gets a lot of private work too. He's doing well for himself , has good equipment and shows a lot of money [ie] nice cars and nice house.
You should try to find out is there many boys in your area at this work, if not maybe this is your chance.
My cousin says the insurance is a killer, but he's a stingy hallian anyway ,so i'd give you nothin for that
Fair play to you if you have the guts to give it a try, and good luck to you if you do.
These other boys are some criac eh?
All the best
Andrew

 

[2stroke2]

Do not mention 1690 Please

 

[diltree]

The Williamite War? Battle of the boyne? Resulting in British and Protestant rule over the country for over a century? I agree lets stick to deforestation

 

[Thetreewisemen]

Wow my friend, I am seriously impressed! It seems that you MA Irish-Americans truly are more up on the facts than your NY brethren. I see that I stand corrected on certain dates.......and in your opinion, certain facts. I do enjoy hearing and discussing other's opinions, but still do not entirely agree with your original statement. LOL. And, in my humble opinion there are still numerous stands of oak, both English (Quercus robur) and sessile (Quercus petrea) in the south of England which pre-date the Napoleonic wars. Apparently the ship builders preferred the sessile or durmast oak as the timber height was taller and straighter than it's English cousin. I managed 1000 acres of mixed woodland for the National Trust for some time a number of years back. Plenty of oak there! And as for the English and the Irish? What can you do? Two agressive races of people right next door to each other. You must have heard the joke..'There was an Englishman, and an Irishman and a......BANG!! ' I had Welsh/Irish grandparents on my old man's side and Scots/English on my mum's. How's that for an internal stuggle? I always said that if things hadn't worked out here for me then I would have gone back to Ireland, rather than returning to England. Right, it's kids bathtime.......look forward to your next post.

 

[2stroke2]

Hey Diltree ,thats a pretty slick website you have there.

 

[Thetreewisemen]

I meant to compliment you on that also, but what with the history lesson.........I'm looking at getting mine up and running this year, if funds allow. Don't suppose you'd want to be sharing how much that set you back? What about if I agree that we cut down half the forests in Ireland?

 

[oldirty]

hell of a reply

it appears the man might know his stuff