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Trimmed up a lady's yard today, numerous autumn olives and cherrys, finished a choke cherry removal/stump grind/gravely mulching, removed a leaning pear tree overhanging the neighbors yard (underpriced it) and then finished with a vista pruning for a small cottage complex, all clients happy, no injuries or damages and all jobs paid in full. :msp_w00t::clap::rock:
 
Here I am fretting over buying a new truck, a bigger trailer and maybe a chipper at some point, upping my insurance to cover all of it, and the nightmare of paperwork that will inevitably follow...I've recently reconsidered my business model. My buddy owns a landscaping company and only works his crews 3-4 days a week. He has several large trailers and is looking to expand his business but doesn't know where to go. I approached him about having his crews do clean up on my tree jobs. We're trying to work out figures and pay scales and such. I don't have any workers comp because I don't employ anyone. My brother who is frequently my ground guy, works for my friend and runs one of his lawn crews and is covered under my friends workers comp. I would technically be hiring my friends company as a sub. I figure this way, I can keep my overhead low, keep my investment capital low, and avoid hauling sticks. I show up with one of my buddies guys as my ground man, put the wood on the ground, cut it to manageable size, and then I'm done. They handle clean up. My friend and I are discussing a flat rate for tree clean up, something like 25%, which we figure based on what I bid, is plenty to cover hourly pay for his guys. We are also working out a percentage for me to pay him for wear and tear on his equipment. I'm covered under my insurance, everyone else is covered under his. Everybody is happy, It's all legal, legit, insured, and allows me to spend more time at my other jobs and at school.
How's this sound?
 
Might want to try it for a while, a short time period when you're busy, and see if the numbers add up to what you need out of it. If both parties agree to re-evaluate later, sounds like a maybe. I just wouldn't want to go into it with an unhappy party. That's just a disaster as time rolls on.

Comparatively, three friends of mine went into a business deal and broke it down as 40/40/20 on investment costs and then later on profits. The 20% guy was the "business" part and the others were the manpower. Once the buildings were up, the "business" of the project was over,(public meetings/ plan submission/ lease negotiations) and now its all maintainence of the buildings and grounds and from here forward always will be. While the 40% guys were making their money doing nothing early on, they're finding they are doing all the work now and the 20% guy does nothing but rake it in. Not good friends anymore. :msp_thumbdn:
 
It's all subject to revision at this point. We'll have to try it on a few jobs and see how it pans out. Maybe 25% plus dump fees. Then a percentage of equipment maintenance. The idea would be to cover the his costs plus a little something for the effort. The biggest advantage I see is that I don't have employees counting on me to provide full time work. He has enough bodies and business that the flexibility is there if things are slow for me, or pretty busy. The size of his crew and business can easily absorb variation in my work load.
 
The biggest advantage I see is that I don't have employees counting on me to provide full time work. He has enough bodies and business that the flexibility is there if things are slow for me, or pretty busy. The size of his crew and business can easily absorb variation in my work load.

The way I read it is that you need his employee's to keep up with your full time work.
Jeff :confused:
 
No, I think you are not thinking like real people do. You think his guys are gonna clean up for you for %?
Are you a real tree guy?
Jeff :confused:

Yeah, I do.
Your reading comprehension skills have failed you. Read my initial post on the subject and tell me if you get anything new out of it. The percantage would be more than enough to cover the hourly for his guys. They dont so much care what type of work but rather that there is work to be done. They get paid the same either way:stupid:
 
In case you needed more clarification, I pay my friend. He pays his guys. Their pay is not based on the percentage I pay my friend. My friend keeps what ever is left over. Plus I pay dump fees. Does this make sense?

"Real tree guy" is such a subjective term. I probably can't give you an answer that you'd be happy with or that you wouldn't contradict. So I won't feign an attempt to answer.
 
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Just priced my first job, didn't get it. Let me know what you think. 50 ft pine.Half dead. About 20" DBH. No rigging but still have to be careful, other trees within canopy and 2 close buildings that could be hit if something went terribly wrong, which it wouldn't but always a chance. No clean up really. Everything cut to 16" and would likely pile it. Could drop stem at about 15' tops. Let me know what your price would be, I'm curious to see if it's close to mine.
 
How half dead is it?

If you're not sure you could get half killed climbing it, so I'd say around $400 maybe more if it's difficult to get to with the lift.
 
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How half dead is it?

If you're not sure you could get half killed climbing it, so I'd say around $400 maybe more if it's difficult to get to with the lift.

I would say that is pretty close, give or take, I did a fully dead 75' white pine 8View attachment 244161View attachment 244162' from hydro lines and 4' from an out building 2 weeks ago. $850.00 minimal cleanup, was on an island. Cut up stem into 16" pieces, top was dead to it just disintegrated when it hit the ground. But then again do you have full insurance, WSIB? Probably can't go around charging as much for tree work.
 
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Ya this one still had plenty green on it. I said $400. In a spot like your pics but with a million more branches obviously. Your right about insurance, I dunno I thought it was fair. She made it quite obvious that it was pretty far out of her price range. Good guess carb. How much work do you get lol
 
Ur gonna meet people who say 400$ that's less than my last plumbers bill and all he did was wrench in 2 pipes. But there people who think all u need to take down any tree is a poulan pro and 15 min and they think u paid for the poulan pro in 7.5 min:)
 
Ya this one still had plenty green on it. I said $400. In a spot like your pics but with a million more branches obviously. Your right about insurance, I dunno I thought it was fair. She made it quite obvious that it was pretty far out of her price range. Good guess carb. How much work do you get lol

If you want quantity of work do it for $50. If you want gas money and lunch do it for $100. If you want anything more do it for what it's worth.

If what it's worth is too much then let someone else do it.
 

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