The one handed debate...

[treeslayer]

Ach, so you are ze spicy european kin~d. Yumzy!

thats not what you said to me at the arboristsite get together........ or was that the Tequila talking? :hmm3grin2orange:

 

[ozzy42]

Ach, so you are ze spicy european kin~d. Yumzy!

thats not what you said to me at the arboristsite get together........ or was that the Tequila talking? :hmm3grin2orange:

:jawdrop:


Ok you two.
Getting a bit TMI
Maybe you guys should post PMs to each other .
This is a family forum.:hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange:

 

[tree md]

I cut one handed a lot less than I used to.

When I was younger and sloppy I would one hand 90% of the time. I mainly used two hands when I was chunking the spar down. I was not as experienced at positioning as I am now. Plus I didn't know any better.

The more experience I gained, the more I realized how much effort was being saved when I got into an optimal position before making my cuts. Not only is it energy saving, it's safer.

I have had a couple of incidents where my saw has kicked back, on the ground and in the tree. It was very eye opening to me. No way to control it and no time to react. Things can go really bad really quick with a chainsaw in a tree. Luckily they were minor incidents and I was not hurt.

Not saying that I don't still one hand the saw, I do, regularly. Anyone who does production climbing knows that it is unavoidable at times. However, when I do one hand I am very alert of the possibility of the saw kicking back and where in relation to my body the saw would impact if even the unlikely were to happen.

I just try to use common sense and remember that if I get careless and hurt myself I could be out of a job for a long time.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

I agree, If you do it, it's on you.
Jeff

Which is one of the points of ANSI Z, if an employee gets his face rearranged, like the fella who posted last year, then the company may have an astronomical liability. Following the standard may protect you some, and gives grounds for letting people go who are unsafe.

For the employee it is to protect you from unethical taskmasters who follow the false economy of production over safety.

A chainsaw injury is a prime example of the old saw that one aw#### will wipe out a thousand atta-boys. One hander Otto can be the highest producer in the company, but if he turns himself into onehand Otto then all the profit from the increased production goes to the doctors and lawyers.

they were probably being over confident and got hurt or had close calls, being over confident will get you hurt fast...

My point exactly! If you one-hand more often then not you are being overconfident, maybe even incompetent. A competent climber can learn to work in a manner which is both safe and productive

 

[airman]

there's no debate about it. use it when necessary and practical, be careful.

 

[Rftreeman]

Which is one of the points of ANSI Z, if an employee gets his face rearranged, like the fella who posted last year

they shouldn't have put their face in danger zone where this could happen, it's like using a gun, don't pull the trigger until you have it in a safe position rather it be one hand or two......just because someone has two hands on the saw does mean it can't happen.....it's all about control...there's just some people who should never have a saw in their hands to start with...

A competent climber can learn to work in a manner which is both safe and productive

he can also learn to do it one handed, this was proper training years ago and that is how I was trained, know what you're doing and never put yourself in a position to be cut and it won't happen, plain & simple....I cut my leg a few years ago, why, because I put my leg in a position to be cut, I got lazy....it won't happen again I can bet you that..

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

there's no debate about it. use it when necessary and practical, be careful.

I agree with the necessary, but practical gives the lazy worker or immoral taskmaster the latitude to push production over safe practice.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

just because someone has two hands on the saw does mean it can't happen.....it's all about control...

True, and you have more control when two hands are on the machine.

You got lucky, your injury was not a game changer for you. Saw handling is like tying in, a little slip in the repetition can be a life changing experiance. The only close calls I have had with a chainsaw were on the ground doing storm-work. IM(ns)HO the reason I have never had an incident in the tree is because I combine body positioning with proper saw handling.

The one-handed use should be the exception, not SOP.

 

[outofmytree]

The one-handed use should be the exception, not SOP.

:agree2:

 

[beastmaster]

I wasn't even aware that there was an issue with one handed saw use tell I started seeing the debates here. I haven,t traveled much and besides the internet don't interact much with other climbers. I am a local guy. But locally I have worked for lots of people over the years and the whole one handed thing comes as a surprise to me. I am amazed I've been doing it wrong(and everyone I ever worked with)all my professional life.(little bit of sarcasm there) I respect the views of most people on this board, and I have been using my 200t two handed more then I use to, but some times one handed cutting is part of what makes me a professional. Lucky for me I work for a company that I rarely even use a saw in a tree unless its a removal. If I worked for a company that prohibited one handed cutting I would trade my top handle saw for a rear handle saw so the temptation wouldn't be there I guess. I thought brakes on saws were crazy and those safety clips a pain in the a__ when they were first interduced, but have learned to appreciate them, so keep up the debates I'm listening.(Don't get me started on anti kick back safety chain .)

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

Don't get me started on anti kick back safety chain .)

I call that home owner chain

 

[jefflovstrom]

Here, those chains have a green drive link, the good one's have a yellow drive link. Has anyone heard a rumor that Stihl is going to stop making the "yellow"?
Jeff

 

[ozzy42]

Here, those chains have a green drive link, the good one's have a yellow drive link. Has anyone heard a rumor that Stihl is going to stop making the "yellow"?
Jeff

I don't see them doing that unless mandated by gov. to do so .

People would simply buy other brands.


It would sure suck to have to modify every new chain before installing it,
wich is exactly what we would all do.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

Here, those chains have a green drive link, the good one's have a yellow drive link. Has anyone heard a rumor that Stihl is going to stop making the "yellow"?
Jeff

Probably California is prohibiting the sale

I cannot see it either, too many companies use the RS