the spotted owl disappearing act
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They weren't. There's either a jumping slug or a jumping snail that they look for. Pretty strange.
hammerlogging
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no no no, it has to be the celebrated jumping frog of calaveras county.
forestryworks
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lol, i'm out of rep for ya
Humptulips
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Just read today the White Bark Pine is being considered for endangered species listing.
woodchopper
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More likely the hooter counters don't get off the road too far.:biggrinbounce2: Owls just like any other animal will stay a certain distance away from others of their species. There's plenty of them in the deep woods.
As someone who likes to hunts and fish I dislike hearing about someone shooting owls so they can log on a piece of land. Glad to know not everyone in the logging industry is that low.
You hunt and fish in the woods. We work in the woods. You use the woods as a playground. We depend on it for our living. Why not let those of us most closely involved make our own decisions about these things.We can take care of our woods...we don't need outsiders making judgements based on emotion instead of fact.
I think you're well intentioned...just poorly informed. There seems to be a lot of that going around these days.
Metals406
Granfodder Runningsaw
I checked on three big FS sales coming up this summer... All of them are fuel reduction, and one 600+ acre sale is blowdown. Some of it is lop and scatter, some is slash and burn... But it's all centered towards fuel reduction. There was a 1400 acre sale last year (three year sale) that was species reduction. That one is lop and scatter, with some salvage rights.
They'd be pretty good jobs if a guy could sell the timber. Being as all our mills are darn near shut down... Maybe a guy could train them to Seattle and sell them to the Jap's?
They'd be pretty good jobs if a guy could sell the timber. Being as all our mills are darn near shut down... Maybe a guy could train them to Seattle and sell them to the Jap's?
Humptulips
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I really don't think it's true that they are out in the deep woods like you would think. Used to be a crew studying them around here. They had some radio collared or how ever they attach a radio to them. They used to stop in front of my house and check on them with radio direction finders. All old growth behind the house and second growth across the road from the house. The owls were always over in the second growth. I guess better habitat.
I really doubt that anyone is out there shooting owls so they can log a unit. I'd hate to think of the time involved to find and shoot a spotted owl. Probably wouldn't do any good anyway. It would still be a designated Spotted Owl area.
forestryworks
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well said
Apparently I was misunderstood. There is talk of a plan to hunt owls, the BARRED OWLS. The Barred Owl is now considered the biggest threat to the existance of the Spotted Owl. Logging has nothing to do with shooting barred owls. The Owl Experts are coming up with that idea solely to slow down the takeover of Spotted Owl habitat by the Barred Owls. Barred Owls are NOT Spotted Owls although there is some interbreeding going on.
windthrown
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There is quite a lot of interbreeding going on between the spotted and barred owls. Which makes me wonder if they are going to shoot all the cross breeds? And how in tarnation are they going to hunt them all down? They are really hard to find during the day. I lived out there deep in Spotted Owl territory for four years and I heard them on occasion, but I very very rarely saw any. I can see them using playback calls to get the barred owls to respond to the calls. But a bunch of guys out there shooting at night? Man, talk about conservation run amuk. "See, we are dropping these trees here to protect those over there, and we are shooting these animals here to save those over there, and well... its all to save the planet... ...and spend a hell of a lot of money... see?" :monkey:
Funny (or not so funny) story: When I was living on the sheep ranch there was a guy living up the logging road from us about 3 miles. He heard a guy following the creek through his property one night. He thought it was either his other neighbor that he was having a feud with, or someone scoping out his property. So he goes out on the porch and starts screaming, and lets off both barrels of his 12 gauge. He told me about it the next day. Later that night the ex told me that she went to a watershead counsil meeting and the BLM guy there said he had a run-in with a ranting lunatic for a neighbor of ours. He had been out making spotted owl calls the night before to see if any came in. He was doing an area survey along the creek.
Funny (or not so funny) story: When I was living on the sheep ranch there was a guy living up the logging road from us about 3 miles. He heard a guy following the creek through his property one night. He thought it was either his other neighbor that he was having a feud with, or someone scoping out his property. So he goes out on the porch and starts screaming, and lets off both barrels of his 12 gauge. He told me about it the next day. Later that night the ex told me that she went to a watershead counsil meeting and the BLM guy there said he had a run-in with a ranting lunatic for a neighbor of ours. He had been out making spotted owl calls the night before to see if any came in. He was doing an area survey along the creek.
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Well, they must like each other. Why not quit tampering with Owl romance and just let nature take it's own course?
Because I think that like Windthrown mentioned, there'll be lots of money to be had--oops er, funding.
You're right. I wish you weren't.
woodchopper
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Obviously you're poorly informed too. Don't know where you got the idea I don't work in the woods but your not even close to being right. I drive tractor trailer for a construction company during the regular season weekdays. I drive a bark mulch trailer on most weekends throughout the year unless I'm laid-off from my regular job then it's full time weather permitting. Although I haven't even sat on a skidder or cut a tree for a living for almost 30 years I did plenty "back in the day". True, I don't work in the woods as much as you but saying I make my judgments based on emotions is a little off especially after the assumption you made about me being poorly informed. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
I've got no problem with someone doing whatever on their OWN property,it was killing the owls to break the rules I had a problem with. As a property owner I value property rights and respect others to do as they wish on their own land. As was posted after you replied the owls if they are indeed being killed at all it's for reasons other than logging. That's a different story all together.
windthrown
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Yep. I got an ear full of budgets and funding after the ex joined the local watershed counsil. Basically it all seemed to come down to milking the county, state and feds for every nickle possible, and stretch it out for as long as possible. Some of the funding made sence. We did several of those BLM/fed/state/co. funded woodland owner things. Like clearing 5 acres of CA black oaks of firs. CA black oak is a critical species for a lot of critters. We "fire-proofed" the 400+ year old oak grove and kept them from being crowned out by the understory of firs. That took a forest survey and an amendment to our forest plan and we were on it in a few months.
But then, we had another one where we had this RR bridge put in across the creek. That took 3 years, 10 different groups of people coming out on three separate plans to survey and put little flags into the ground. Then lots of permits and eco studies were done, and it dragged on for what seemed like forever. The RR 'bridge' was finally brought down from WA state and placed across the stream and it took all of 3 days for the actual work to be done.
redprospector
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Look at the bright side. When the Spotted Owl has become extinct they'll have something else to put on the endangered species list. You can't get any more half-bread Spotted/Barred Owl's if there are no more Spotted Owl's.
Without some kind of owl to champion, environmentalist would probably feel as worthless as they actually are.
Andy
