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I am familiar w/ the Thunderbirds . Never seen one w/ a skidder mount. An FMC-kmc would be tight, the last one I ran was set up as a skidgine. Faster than a skidder,go were a crawler won't- a true adverse machine. Never been around one long enough to learn the proper maintenance. The logger I skidded half a season for said they require a min. of $10K in maintenance on the tracks and bogies. I know they eat up the grease.LOL. would like to run a swinger kmc someday. They got air seats:blob2:
 
I am familiar w/ the Thunderbirds . Never seen one w/ a skidder mount. An FMC-kmc would be tight, the last one I ran was set up as a skidgine. Faster than a skidder,go were a crawler won't- a true adverse machine. Never been around one long enough to learn the proper maintenance. The logger I skidded half a season for said they require a min. of $10K in maintenance on the tracks and bogies. I know they eat up the grease.LOL. would like to run a swinger kmc someday. They got air seats:blob2:
Here is another pic, dooby! Enjoy! Thanks!
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By the way, I am no 'G- Cat'-dooby... Here is your ecoyarder waiting- just cut a check!

That's harsh man. i just wanted you to give my dream yarder a seal of approval. The smooch thing was a figure of speach.:hmm3grin2orange: I really do like them Ponsee machines. Them prices on them Thundrchickens is to deep for my wallet.:cheers:
 
Don't ignore the Koller. A couple of guys who were skidder loggers in E. WA moved over to our steep, timber laden area. They bought a sale with yarder ground in it. They got a Koller. The two guys taught their dad to run the yarder, one went in the brush, and the other drove truck.
They did ok once they figured it out. Things were so desperate at first, they were asking me how to rig it up!! Which I know the theory of, but not the how to of, like proper way to put pins in shackles!

They had an extension on the tube and a small, Eagle carriage. They apparently made enough to feed their families. They ended up using their forwarder for a guyline anchor. That's about all a forwarder of that size is good for here.

One of our locally grown loggers liked the Koller but disliked that it had no cab. It is run from ground level, with some heavy mesh for protection. You can hammer together a "cab" with plywood and tarp. They are run from the ground so unhooking chokers can be done by the same operator without a lot of climbing up and down.

What kind of carriage are you looking at? The one video I managed to look at just had butt rigging, and you can't use that in a partial cut unless the trees are spaced widely. Other things to consider are how many guylines does a machine require? There are some places where sound stumps are rare. Deadman anchors take time and machinery to make.

I found the memory stick with my pictures on it, I'll try to find the Koller pictures and the little Thunderbird. The Koller used 4 guylines, I think.
 
The Koller
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The old faithful Madill.
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An accessory--the intermediate support (jack) used instead of building more road. It is being raised up in the picture.
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Slowp-Thanks for all the photos and input. I said this on the yarder photos thread thinking it was gonna link here.... My bad. I really enjoy your input on this forum. this whole 'ultimate yarder' thread is along shot dream. I will be very fortunate to get an older yarder with my present $$$ situation. Earning stuff through slow and steady jerks and jams seems to be my path, or at least so far:msp_wink: I put all my money into wildlands fire fighting this year....not sure about that yet. Will let ya know in O:jester:ctober
 

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