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I've seen it. Last year we bid a golf course job that included trimming and removals. We came in at $26,000.00. Probably the most respected tree service in the Dallas Ft. Worth Metroplex bid $28,500.00 according to one of their employees. Another company that I consider to be morons inc. bid $11,000.00. Some outfit called Ricardo's Services got it for $1,975.00. No, that's not a typo...one-thousand-nine-hundred-seventy-five and no/100 dollars.

I gave nearly an identical bid as yours to a golf course here about 3 years ago. The bid went for 11K.
 
I gave nearly an identical bid as yours to a golf course here about 3 years ago. The bid went for 11K.

Well, what it amounts to is a lot of folks are working for nothing. And, at least around here anyway, it shows. Old run down equipment, not nearly the equipment they need, their whole operation is third world looking. Most of the time they live in the same old run down single wide trailer year after year...or they move to a different old run down single wide trailer every year.
 
I am thinking it has to reach a breaking point. In the meantime I will work for a larger co. and make them money doing what I love and getting experience, ISA certification, and none of the headaches! Good luck to you fellas....:bang:
 
Yep. And add to that the ever increasing number of cheap x line clearance buckets readily available, and there you have it... or at least a large portion of the problem! Whatever though, them ####s can't hang when the real #### goes down!

you are absolutely right! damn enabling bastards selling those line clearing bucket trucks for cheap!!!!!! hey I have a set a of scalpels now I should start performing surgery....hahaha
 
This was handed out at Topeka, KS arborist cert meeting. Parks Service Dept. December 16, 2011. City of Overland Park, Kansas. Bid Tabulation. Tree Pruning - Street Maintenance

Department Estimate - $48,500.00

Arbor Masters Tree and Landscape - $6,625.00
Hendrickson Tree Care Company - $11,750.00
K.C. Arborist, INc - $12,199.01
Kansas City Tree Care - $19,750.00
Van Booven Lawn & Landscaping - $23,475.00
Country Club Tree Service Inc - $23,625.00
Davey Tree & Lawn Care Experts - $40,560.00

Comments: This bid is for Tree Pruning and Street Maintenance. Staff recommends the bid be awarded to Arbor Masters Tree & Landscaping as indicated above.
Hows that for a range of bids!

yea, thats quite a range of difference....I happen to know of one of the top dogs at KC Arborist, great climber, nice guy, he does a bit of traveling to other states for local climbing days and usually pretty up-to-date on the most recent climbing gear and techniques, and takes the time to show other guys new stuff, etc. I'd be pretty confident trusting his bidding abilities, but to me its obvious why Davey was the big bidder on this one. 6K tho?
 
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Obvious who had inside info on dallar amount. But, $6,600 amout is insane. Someone smoking something? Maybe the landscape part makes up for that? Maybe their a drug dealer? LOL! I keep overhead low and can do that amount in a week.
 
This was handed out at Topeka, KS arborist cert meeting. Parks Service Dept. December 16, 2011. City of Overland Park, Kansas. Bid Tabulation. Tree Pruning - Street Maintenance

Department Estimate - $48,500.00

Arbor Masters Tree and Landscape - $6,625.00
Hendrickson Tree Care Company - $11,750.00
K.C. Arborist, INc - $12,199.01
Kansas City Tree Care - $19,750.00
Van Booven Lawn & Landscaping - $23,475.00
Country Club Tree Service Inc - $23,625.00
Davey Tree & Lawn Care Experts - $40,560.00

Comments: This bid is for Tree Pruning and Street Maintenance. Staff recommends the bid be awarded to Arbor Masters Tree & Landscaping as indicated above.
Hows that for a range of bids!


Around here davey is usually the one throwing out the 6k bid on that bid list.
 
Really? They that bad in your area?

ya they bid like 15$ an hour for bucket truck and operator on the airport contract it was publicly announced at the bid opening i was their with a lot of other companies
like 30$ per hour for crane with operator.
 
ya they bid like 15$ an hour for bucket truck and operator on the airport contract it was publicly announced at the bid opening i was their with a lot of other companies
like 30$ per hour for crane with operator.

Sub them out and stay at home:laugh:
 
Big silvers around here run 3000-5000 cleaned up. There are about eight professionals around here and we are usually about the same give or take a couple. Then there are the ones that stick around a year or so and cant make it, I wonder why. I get plenty of work and try not to let the lowballers bothery me. The people that hire them get what they pay for. When im bidding a job I try to educate the home owner and sell them on why they should hire me then I close them.
 
Big silvers around here run 3000-5000 cleaned up. There are about eight professionals around here and we are usually about the same give or take a couple. Then there are the ones that stick around a year or so and cant make it, I wonder why. I get plenty of work and try not to let the lowballers bothery me. The people that hire them get what they pay for. When im bidding a job I try to educate the home owner and sell them on why they should hire me then I close them.

Yep, and even the ones that try and start up there own with the right equipment and say they have all these skills and certificates show up and have no clue what to do. But give you a good price. Might as well of paid someone experienced to do it right in the first place! The hackers and no minds can't touch the bigs ones around here because they can't do them! Those are the ones I like, the more difficult ones.
 
ya they bid like 15$ an hour for bucket truck and operator on the airport contract it was publicly announced at the bid opening i was their with a lot of other companies
like 30$ per hour for crane with operator.

I think you are making that up. That is just ridiculous.
 
I think you are making that up. That is just ridiculous.

nope was their with at least 10 other companies at the bid opening their hurting for work around here. davey is lucky to cut 1 tree every two years in my town and the 3 surrounding it we just slap them around on price every time. are well enough known to be called to all the jobs they do to bid. i would loose money on a job before i let them have it. their guys are laid off and me and a few others around here are working year round.

they do a lot of spraying. but as far as residential they can't compete endless they loose money. other davey offices make up for their loss. they do it just to have a presence.

i might still have a copy of the winning bid in my files ill look for it when i go to work tomorrow its not that uncommon for them to do it they don't just do it in my area.

call and double check it it was for pittsburgh international airport its public information because the contract is still in affect at those prices.
ask for the department that accepts bids they have like four offices in the airport just for taking bids. and ask for a copy of the current contract.

why would i make it up because its cool to post davey has low prices? works for me.
 
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Its just like Asplaud doing work for penndot. I am sure they bid it so so low to get it, but they make it up by screwing off alot. They must spend like 3 hrs a day screwing off. I think I could get more road clearance done per day by myself then they can with 4 guys.
 
Its just like Asplaud doing work for penndot. I am sure they bid it so so low to get it, but they make it up by screwing off alot. They must spend like 3 hrs a day screwing off. I think I could get more road clearance done per day by myself then they can with 4 guys.

They make up for it by hiring undocumented workers and paying them ####ty wages.
 
They make up for it by hiring undocumented workers and paying them ####ty wages.

I've heard that before -- a few friends of mine work for them; we were trying to get a mutual friend hired there and my buddies were joking around with him about how since he's legal he won't get hired. lol
 
In all fairness I have noticed that they have quit spiking and are doing proper pruning for the most part... However they do fool around a lot.

I had one of the crew leaders/climbers come onto my job site while I was doing storm work in Alabama. They were working the street I was working on. I was trying to hit a high TIP with my big shot on a huge Oak so I could deadwood it and pull hangers. He came over and said he could throw it up there. Said he had never used a big shot before, that he always threw the line in the tree... I said what the hell and gave him a shot... His first throw missed the tree entirely and almost went over the phase three, high voltage line which was in the front yard, in front of the target tree... I said enough of that and took my throw line back... He was a nice enough guy though. About my age and spoke English relatively well. He wanted to do side work with me and I probably would have let him if I had had a real need for him.
 
In all fairness I have noticed that they have quit spiking and are doing proper pruning for the most part... However they do fool around a lot.

I had one of the crew leaders/climbers come onto my job site while I was doing storm work in Alabama. They were working the street I was working on. I was trying to hit a high TIP with my big shot on a huge Oak so I could deadwood it and pull hangers. He came over and said he could throw it up there. Said he had never used a big shot before, that he always threw the line in the tree... I said what the hell and gave him a shot... His first throw missed the tree entirely and almost went over the phase three, high voltage line which was in the front yard, in front of the target tree... I said enough of that and took my throw line back... He was a nice enough guy though. About my age and spoke English relatively well. He wanted to do side work with me and I probably would have let him if I had had a real need for him.

Dude i absolutely love the big shot i don't know how i lived with out it that thing saves me money on employees waiting for me to hit a TIP or having to climb higher to my TIP everyday i would assume 20min it shaves off a day. i am not the best at throwing a bag. but i could kill a squirrel at 60 feet with the big shot.

rarely ever takes me more than 2 shots anymore. now all i need is a raptor and ill be moving.
 

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