Throwline Cube?

[tree md]

I'm looking to buy one of the folding cubes for throwline storage this week. The Sherrill catalog shows the fold and hold cube for $15 and the deluxe fold and hold for $49. What is so fantastic about the deluxe model that warrants a $35 higher price tag? I mean if the $15 model is going to fall apart in a month I would go ahead and spend the money for the deluxe model. Anyone have any experience with the regular fold and hold cube?

 

[md_tree_dood]

The 15 dollar version doesn't fold over itself into a triangle which makes it harder to store. The 50 dollar version is also larger and has 4 interior pockets, to hold your throwballs still attached to the throwline.

I would suggest however spending the extra money and get the Faltimer cube as its MUCH better made. I go through about one Sherrill cube a year where as my faltimer cube is about 3 years old and still going strong. The stitching is alot better on the faltimer and the bottom is a more rigid material.

Either way I would at the very least by the 50 dollar version instead of the 15 dollar version because of size, the interior pockets, and the portability.

 

[rbtree]

Bishop has the same "Falseheimer" cube for either $35 or 39!


www.bishco.com

I'm due for a new one.... they are great, tho not as good as the $80 Falteheimer...the cheapo's are no comparison.

 

[tree md]

Bishop has the same "Falseheimer" cube for either $35 or 39!


www.bishco.com

I'm due for a new one.... they are great, tho not as good as the $80 Falteheimer...the cheapo's are no comparison.

Great find! Thanks a lot!

 

[MonkeyMan_812]

Throwline Cubes

:monkey:The 50.00 cubes work just fine, and to be honest I dont think I could live without it. Ive used a tiny storage bag and a five gallon bucket, but NOTHING COMPARES TO A CUBE, BUT DONT BUY THE 15.00 ONE!!!

 

[Tobe]

Correction- the Bishop cube is a poor imitation of the cube SherrillTree has made in agreement with the inventor of the Falteimer cube. SherrillTree recently asked the producer of this imitation (Alborn Supply) to at least change their colors from the black and red that SherrillTree chose to keep from confusing consumers but i have the feeling they will not, and in fact prefer the confusion. The imitation black and red product that you'll find at most arborist supply shops except SherrillTree and Vermeer self destructs quite rapidly. The better product has SherrillTree printed on the corner strap.

Just thought you'd care to know.

 

[ghtrees]

The $15 fold and hold works great. My crews can quickly destroy just about any equipment on the market, and we still get a solid year of daily use from the $15 cube.
Greg

 

[MonkeyMan_812]

The $15 fold and hold works great. My crews can quickly destroy just about any equipment on the market, and we still get a solid year of daily use from the $15 cube.
Greg

From the sound of it " your crews " are the ones using them. Have you personally ever tried to set a line in the wind and have a cheap cube fold up while your trying to work. I have. Its all about stability of the cube. They are $15.00 for a reason. The reason is because they are not as sturdy. You might as well try to use a Wal-Mart bag to store your line. :monkey:

 

[md_tree_dood]

While I think Monkey's point is a bit exaggerated, I will agree that the $15 model isn't worth the money. I'd take a throwline bag over the small cube any day.

 

[tree md]

Correction- the Bishop cube is a poor imitation of the cube SherrillTree has made in agreement with the inventor of the Falteimer cube. SherrillTree recently asked the producer of this imitation (Alborn Supply) to at least change their colors from the black and red that SherrillTree chose to keep from confusing consumers but i have the feeling they will not, and in fact prefer the confusion. The imitation black and red product that you'll find at most arborist supply shops except SherrillTree and Vermeer self destructs quite rapidly. The better product has SherrillTree printed on the corner strap.

Just thought you'd care to know.

Well we'll see what they have at the local Vermeer dealer when I go there next week. They're pretty good about matching prices anyway. Just wished they stocked more items.

Just had someone try to do work in my name recently so I do care to know Tobe.

 

[Greenstar]

Alright, I'll settle this! opcorn:

It depends on how much you will be using it, i.e. how often.

The more expensive ones look great, and I would love one. I love the way they fold in half.
But I have never bought one because I couldn't warrant spending $50 on a storage receptacle, idk... and the $15 one has always worked fine for me.

See, I store it right under the seat, the bench seat slider lever right under the driver seat in my F350. It fits perfectly.
I have had the same one for.... 3 years now, and just bought another one. I fit about two throw lines in each separated by an old newspaper or something. The single pouch is fine for me. I just make sure the ends of each line is tucked in. The throw sacs can go anywhere, I just have them loose in the cube amidst the line. They don't get lost or tangled. Its fine.
Anyway, I only use mine once a week, if that. I free climb most of the time, and whenever I can. ISA wouldn't recommend I do, but I was born to climb. I trust my life in my hands, like a monkey. But I can also hold my body with one hand, and used to do a lot of bouldering and rock climbing, so I know about not f--ing up when climbing. About "moves", and taking them seriously. Anyway..

Anyway, I always wanted a bucket one, with all kinds of sacs, lines, lots of surplus lines, all in one spot. Could be cool if I had the space for an extra 5 gal bucket in my F350, but space is limited. I'd rather have an extra saw, or tool box with me, or sh!t a microwave -like all the brazilians do around here- Hot food and coffee on a jobsite is great!. The cube works fine. (Unless you are a comuter, with all equipment in a small bag, then maybe you'd like the fold-up) Also, I cant get how they charge $15 for a divider piece of plastic. Its a frisbee, I know, but still, $15 for a piece of plastic. Its a gimmick. I yelled at the guy from Sherrill on the phone. So because of that I didn't buy it and stuck with the $15 cube again. Instead I spent the money on a new tree book, and a micro-ascender for my lanyard.

I will go through phases where I will probably start using the throw ball more, and then maybe we'll see.
The bucket seems like it would just be easier to collect the line back into, into a rigid bucket you can rest your arm on while you hand over hand collect your line.

Peace :greenchainsaw: ..good luck!

 

[MonkeyMan_812]

Alright, I'll settle this! opcorn:

It depends on how much you will be using it, i.e. how often.

The more expensive ones look great, and I would love one. I love the way they fold in half.
But I have never bought one because I couldn't warrant spending $50 on a storage receptacle, idk... and the $15 one has always worked fine for me.

See, I store it right under the seat, the bench seat slider lever right under the driver seat in my F350. It fits perfectly.
I have had the same one for.... 3 years now, and just bought another one. I fit about two throw lines in each separated by an old newspaper or something. The single pouch is fine for me. I just make sure the ends of each line is tucked in. The throw sacs can go anywhere, I just have them loose in the cube amidst the line. They don't get lost or tangled. Its fine.
Anyway, I only use mine once a week, if that. I free climb most of the time, and whenever I can. ISA wouldn't recommend I do, but I was born to climb. I trust my life in my hands, like a monkey. But I can also hold my body with one hand, and used to do a lot of bouldering and rock climbing, so I know about not f--ing up when climbing. About "moves", and taking them seriously. Anyway..

Anyway, I always wanted a bucket one, with all kinds of sacs, lines, lots of surplus lines, all in one spot. Could be cool if I had the space for an extra 5 gal bucket in my F350, but space is limited. I'd rather have an extra saw, or tool box. The cube works fine. (Unless you are a commuter, with all equipment in a small bag, then maybe youd like the fold-up) Also, I cant get how they charge $15 for a divider piece of plastic. Its a frisbee, I know, but still, $15 for a piece of plastic. Its a gimmick. I yelled at the guy from Sherrill on the phone. So because of that I didn't buy it and stuck with the $15 cube. Instead I spent the money on a book, and a micro-ascender for my lanyard.

I will go through phases where I will probably start using the throw ball more, and then maybe we'll see.
The bucket seems like it would just be easier to collect the line back into, into a rigid bucket you can reat your arm on while you hand over hand collect your line.

Peace :greenchainsaw:

"Born to Climb" ? With no rope? Thats just stupid dude. I think you need to visit the "accident and fatality" forum. And if you only use yours once a week , no wonder the $15 cube has lasted you so long. In this industry, the throwline and its counterparts are one of the most used and most versatile/valuable tools for the modern arborist. One should closely consider thier level of productivity. After all time is money. Why wouldnt one spend an xtra $35.00 to save time in the feild. :monkey:

 

[Greenstar]

I forgot to say that trees in New England don't average the heights of those in many other parts of the country. Our growing season is shorter, and many of us climb on 120' rope. Maybe moreso closer to the city they are shorter. The further you get out, the higher. And it also depends on what niche you are working, and what types of trees. As soon as we get outside of the Metro-Boston area where there are a lot more red-oak, which are sketchier and tougher to climb in, you are right, setting a line should be a prerequisite. Within the city, however, lots of maple and such, they're easy to get up without a rope.

If you are using them everyday, then I suppose you are right.
Still, I'd say try the fifteener first, idk.. There are many other pieces of gear I'd rather spend my money on. But whatever floats your boat.
Shoot, some guys buy expensive rope bags for all their ropes. I never have. I coil them easy. Peace

 

[tree md]

I use my throwline on just about every job. it is one of my most used tools. I like to buy the best I can afford because I often find you get what you pay for. That's why I asked the original question. I didn't want to buy something that was cheaper but might wear out a lot quicker. Now I don't have to have the top of the line in everything but I do want quality. That's why I have decided to get the larger deluxe cube. I was sold as soon as I learned it was 5" bigger than the mesh cube. I can't tell you how sick I am of trying to flake throwline into a little throwline bag and a bucket just takes up too much room. I also blow my top when I see the rope rollers on my crew (you know, the ones who like to stand around rolling ropes up while there is still ground work to be done) spend a half hour trying to flake my throwline in the small bag. I am the onlyone who is supposed to be putting my ropes and line away but it still drives me nuts with the time it takes to stow the throwline.

 

[tree md]

Shoot, some guys buy expensive rope bags for all their ropes. I never have. I coil them easy. Peace

Rope bags will save you money in the long run. Not only do they save you time by flaking rope quickly into them and easy deployment, they also keep your ropes cleaner and protects them from the grit that shortens rope life.

If you don't want to spend high dollar for a ropebag just buy an Army duffle at the surplus store.

I would at least invest in a positioning saddle. Most times you only get one chance to slip. I'm lucky I survived my one chance.

 

[tree md]

"I yelled at the guy from Sherrill on the phone."

No need to yell, Sherrill's owner has already posted in this thread so I would say you've got their ear.

Just thought you might care to know.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

Larry, the biggest difference between the cheap and pricey is that the cheap one will give you more birdnesting of the line. The folding cubes tend to trap the line so that they will more often then not come out how they went in. also the wider mouth allows for easier rebagging.

I've had two of the German cubes for around 7 years, and only one stay has broken.

 

[StihlRockin']

I free climb most of the time, and whenever I can. ...I was born to climb. I trust my life in my hands, like a monkey. ...I can also hold my body with one hand, and used to do a lot of ...rock climbing

"Born to Climb" ? With no rope? Thats just stupid dude. I think you need to visit the "accident and fatality" forum.

Greenstar,

You'll have to forgive MonkeyMan_812's harsh response, but you see, you infringed on his username by referencing "monkey" as he has dibs on that

, so maybe if you referenced something like "chimpanzee" next time, you'll be better off? !!

StihlRockin'

 

[MonkeyMan_812]

greenstar,

you'll have to forgive monkeyman_812's harsh response, but you see, you infringed on his username by referencing "monkey" as he has dibs on that

, so maybe if you referenced something like "chimpanzee" next time, you'll be better off? !!

stihlrockin'

lol lol lol!

 

[tree md]

Well I finally made it to Vermeer today and picked up Sherrill's deluxe cube. I decided on the deluxe model because it was bigger with more features than the regular cube and not so expensive as the German made cube. I wanted a larger cube for easier flaking and pockets to hold the throwbag. I wanted to make sure that I didn't buy something that would be a PITA to to flake the line and waste my time like the smaller throwline bags do. I tried it with the big shot today and set a line. Works great! It's always the simple, small things that make life easier and save time. I really thought I was going to have to start taking blood pressure medicine if I had one more greenhorn screw up my throwline trying to put it away in the bag. I should have gotten one of these cubes years ago.

Thanks to all for their input.