Timber Theft In Pa

[ATH]

....Value is in the eye of the beholder, if you say it is timber value only, then you don't have a clue yourself. ....

Yes...BUT, in this case, value is in the eye of the law (where it should be).

The question is can you get the 'law' to recognize these as "landscape" trees vs. "timber" trees. Plantiff calls consulting arborist who testifies about their landscape value. Defendent calls consulting forester who determines they are timber. Unfortunately, I doubt "plans" change the value from timber to landscape... I don't say that because I don't want to see a timber pimp nailed to the wall (I would like nothing more), but because I wouldn't want somebody's expectations to be too unrealistic.

 

[secureland]

It's not always easy to get cooperation.

A logging theft occurred here. The landowners were absentee and lived in California. The logger knew it and went in and logged it. The FBI even got involved and got no help from the locals. The guy was never charged.

 

[treeseer]

I doubt "plans" change the value from timber to landscape...

In fact, the appraisal Guide refers to "intended use", so yes, it can.

did you contact ASCA yet?

 

[ktm rider]

Klarr,

I tried to PM you back but it seems that you are not allowed to recieve PM now. ?

 

[Husky137]

He appears to have been banned.

 

[ktm rider]

He appears to have been banned.

Why? I read all the post he made and I didn't see any reason for him to be banned? I could be wrong though,,

 

[Husky137]

Beats me.

 

[Klaar]

I received 2 infractions for using a bad word. I didn't know I did anything wrong.

What is the ASCA?

What is an RCA?

Please unban me, I promise not to use any naughty words or versions of naughty words.

 

[showrguy]

i hate for this to be my 1st. post...... but, i live in central Pa. also (on 12 acres)....
you gave the logger rights to use your driveway ? you only have 10 acres ?
your missing 63 trees ? and you had no clue whatsoever what was going on ?????????????????
something just don't add up ???
sorry..and you want 75 grand ?

 

[Blakesmaster]

I received 2 infractions for using a bad word. I didn't know I did anything wrong.

What is the ASCA?

What is an RCA?

Please unban me, I promise not to use any naughty words or versions of naughty words.

Wait. We're not allowed to swear? I know they've bleeped a portion of my vocabulary but I didn't think I could ever get banned for it.

 

[BC WetCoast]

Definition of a forest from "Dictionary of Natural Resource Management" by Julian Dunster

"In the narrow technical sense, a vegetation community dominated by trees and other wood shrubs, growing close enough together that the tree tops touch or overlap, creating various degrees of shade on the forest floor."

I would be of the opinion that this was a forest stand rather than a number of individual amenity trees. However, a forest can have many non-timber values, such as wildlife, fish etc. As noted, the difficulty is getting a judge to accept these non-timber values and then putting a monetary value to them.

 

[Klaar]

I guess I'm not banned.

What is the ASCA?
What is an RCA?

showrguy, I don't know what you are dancing around. Get to the point.

BTW, I have a journal seventeen pages long, a file containing an inch of documents, videos, pictures, witnesses, and a survey and evaluation from a highly-regarded forestry consultant company. I could talk for days to try to explain why and how the driveway access came to be, and how it relates. It's just not relevant.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

Wait. We're not allowed to swear? I know they've bleeped a portion of my vocabulary but I didn't think I could ever get banned for it.

Read the Terms Of Use agreement. Each infraction given has a point value which adds up temporary banning. Usually a few days. A few jerks have been banned permanently, but you have to work at it.

Bee-itching about the moderators will get you banned too.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

I would be of the opinion that this was a forest stand rather than a number of individual amenity trees. However, a forest can have many non-timber values, such as wildlife, fish etc. As noted, the difficulty is getting a judge to accept these non-timber values and then putting a monetary value to them.

If they came in and clearcut your hunting land?

How many times have you heard the neighbors complain when you did a brush clearing for a client and now there is unobstructed views? One of my primary contractors crossed a lotline, by his clients direction, and got sued for around $50k. It settled for $12k and his insurance only covered a small portion.

The funny thing is that his Consulting Arborist looked at stumps and such and found an improvement in value, they hired a landscaper to determine replacement value of screening material. That which was cut was mostly invasive scrub.

What is the ASCA?
What is an RCA?

ASCA

http://www.asca-consultants.org/

RCA is a Registered Consulting Arborist. The have a pretty tough test to take, then a board exam.

 

[nametrux]

Klarr

We really like to see pics. on this site. Judgeing from all the documation you have on thic subject I feel you must have some pic. you could post for us to see. Thanks.

 

[treeseer]

The funny thing is that his Consulting Arborist looked at stumps and such and found an improvement in value, they hired a landscaper to determine replacement value of screening material.

That's not funny, that's hilarious! Putting a negative value on plants might show huge species bias, and lack of understanding about contributions.

The RCA test comes after a 3-day, $1000+++ workshop, and is not hard. after that 3 reports get reviewed. No other exam. Not easy but not hard on content.

If you're in SE PA then there a couple of good RCA's nearby.

Read your state statute; here's NC's. If it says shrubs have value, that throws out the timber value criterion, imo.

 

[Klaar]

I would love to post pics of the scarred land. Now the hard part is jamming that chore up above my other priorities. I'll do it ASAP.

I want to thank you guys for answering my questions and giving me guidance.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

That's not funny, that's hilarious! Putting a negative value on plants might show huge species bias, and lack of understanding about contributions.

What value to invasives give to a landscape? To the encroached party it was purely screening. My client had cleared them out to allow natives more room to grow and to install more native plants.

What value do you give a wall of kudzu and wisteria in your area?

 

[jefflovstrom]

I can not believe this is not an audition for Judge Judy!
Jeff Lovstrom

 

[Husky137]

I can not believe this is not an audition for Judge Judy!
Jeff Lovstrom

I think her show has a pretty low judgement cap.:chainsawguy: