To those who like the Intellicarb...

[YUKON 659]

Fish, it took you a while but, I knew you couldn't hold back from getting involved in a controversially topic

Jeff

 

[jokers]

Hi JimL, you are normally a respectful guy so I will reply to you respectfully. If you reread my initial post you will realize that I stated that modified saws, for whatever reason, run rich at the same carb settings after mods, so...., my Intellicarb should have made the saw run really rich. There are other mods done to the carb and richening the low speed adjustment which provides about 30% of the Hi speed in a round about way makes a larger jet, at least in a "woods" saw, apparently not only unnecessary but it would also detune the saw. I admit that I might be talking complete BS but this is the message I have gotten from talking to various saw builders. I can work my way around saws but the modification is still black magic to me, I don`t have the time to become an expert on it at this time. As far as "off to the shop" goes, I don`t have any of these jets at home, do you? And I`m not going to make the plates to vacuum and pressure test the saw when I know the shop already has them, where I need to go to get the jets, right? My point was, although not well stated, that if the saw runs that lean now, how lean was it running before it was modified? I brought home another 260 the day I brought this one home and gave it to my brother. Since I know he hasn`t used it yet, I`ll check his out and see where it runs. Only problem is is that he is in Virginia and I`m in New York so I will have to have him hold it close to the phone as he revs it and I will tach it that way. For back up confirmation on my findings I will send an audio clip to Fish for him to verify. Russ

PS, don`t anybody tell Mike Maas that every Utility Tree crew or ROW clearance crew in the Northeast has about one 50cc saw per man which normally gets used to death. Currently the two most popular are the MS260 and the 346XP and I`d be willing to bet that more firewood is cut with 50cc saws than any other size, but I guess other than that they aren`t good for anything.

 

[YUKON 659]

My son and I just used our "too small" firewood saws to dust a few red oak tops left behind by loggers this past fall. Mine is a 346xp and his is a 345, both have had muffler mods. Some of the tops were pushing 16"-18" for the first few cuts. Yeah my 372 would have done it a little quicker but the smaller saws worked just fine. Not sure where you guys are coming from saying an 026 or a 346 is too small for firewood They are a pleasure to run.

Jeff

 

[daveb]

I would say 75% of the firewood I cut is done with 50cc class saws. My back thanks me at the end of the day.

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

Originally posted by jokers
PS, don`t anybody tell Mike Maas that every Utility Tree crew or ROW clearance crew in the Northeast has about one 50cc saw per man which normally gets used to death. Currently the two most popular are the MS260 and the 346XP and I`d be willing to bet that more firewood is cut with 50cc saws than any other size, but I guess other than that they aren`t good for anything.

I had not thought of line clearance, that would be a good use for the saw, cutting little trees before they get 15 or 20 feet tall. A homeowner cutting firewood is another use, although I can't imagine any commercial firewood guy cutting with such a small saw.

I can't see cutting down a tree, then halfway through, putting down your saw and getting out another to finish the job. Think about it, you have a running saw in your hands, and you shut it off to go get another saw 'cus it's a little lighter(slower)?

Youkon and Daveb commented on the pleasure of cutting with a little baby saw, but if you used a saw of appropriate size for the task, it would get done faster. You could then use the extra time to drink beer and chase chicks.

 

[rahtreelimbs]

Originally posted by Mike Maas
You could then use the extra time to drink beer and chase chicks.

Now your talking!

 

[Crofter]

You are trying hard now Mike to defend that position about the 026 being too small for firewood. Much more than half of the cutting in a lot of stovewood is in the tops and limbs and two feet of snow. I really dont think you would mind taking 1/2 a minute to go back to the truck for your 026 instead of floundering around holding a 15 lb. saw in the air for half an hour. Come on now Mike! Lol!

Frank

 

[rahtreelimbs]

Has the Itellicarb given anyone problems before the the fixed jet era?

 

[YUKON 659]

Thats what I'm talkin' about Frank!!! :blob4:

Jeff

 

[jokers]

It`s not that the Intellicarb is a terrible idea, in fact the Husky 357xp uses a carb that is very similar, except that it is fully adjustable. The whole idea of a non-adjustable carb on an engine turning 14,00 rpm that will smoke if it runs too lean is the problem in a nutshell. The idea that adjusting the carb is only to mask another symptom is also BS. With a temperature range of greater than a hundred degrees with the corresponding change in oxygen density requires at the very least two carb adjustments per year, once when it is getting colder and again when it warms up. Isn`t cooling the air for more density the whole concept behind "cool cans" in drag cars? Sure you can just run your saw the way it is and call it good enough, but if good enough performance is what you are after why not run a Wild Thing? They`re alot cheaper. Russ

 

[bwalker]

Oh, now I get it. Thanks, Mike Maas. The saws were what Stihl said they were, the owners modified them, and are now upset cause they don't run to expectation.

MY saw runs like crap stone stock.

FWIW The intelli carb is not the problem. Its the lack of a HS adjustments screw. As for the 260 being a foo foo saw. i dont think so. It works great fro bucking most firewood and is a good companion to a 044, 046 or a 066. Works great for cutting tops.

 

[ac45]

I always use two saws when I cut fire wood. My saws are older & heavier though. I limb it with my husky, and then when it gets down to about 12 inches I pick up the old O 41 to finish it off. with the older saws like the 041, the smaller husky will cut just as fast,(in the limb wood) and wieghs about 4 lbs less,

 

[Tony Snyder]

Most saws I sell for firewood are 45cc, 50cc or 56cc. Then there are the guys that can buy two saws, and will usually go with a 940 Efco and something about 56cc, 59cc, or 65 cc. But I did sell one 2171 for firewood.

MS260 sized saws are ideal for the guy with one saw to cut firewood.

 

[rahtreelimbs]

If a 50cc saw gets it for the task at hand then I'm using it!

 

[Dieselnut]

Just got my son a ms260 for christmas. No problems at all with the carb, and we have both cut a lot of fire wood with it. And we still found the time to drink beer and run the girls!

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

Originally posted by bwalker
MY saw runs like crap stone stock.

Is this a new saw?
What do you mean, by runs like crap? Are you sure it's a high speed jet problem? Have you tried stihl 2-stroke?
Just for the record, I've seen pictures of your hot toys, I doubt you haven't, at least, opened up the muffler...

 

[bwalker]

Mike, When I bought the saw(November)I imediatly was not impressed with its performance. Had no power in the cut. I fiddled with it and got it to cut real good with the LS screw backed out about 3-4 turns. The problem was the saw idle like ???? and burned real dirty with the LS set like this. I then took the saw back to my dealer who checked it for air leaks and any other mechanical problems. There where none. I then read on this board about the fixed jet, so I tore into the carb and replaced the stock jet(52?) with a 57. It runs OK now, But by spring time it will be too rich. Lack of adjustability stinks for someone like me that lives in a area that sees a range of temps from 0-100.

Just for the record, I've seen pictures of your hot toys, I doubt you haven't, at least, opened up the muffler...

Of course I have. What I am saying is that there where problems before I touched the muffler. i actually have two covers and the problems exists with both the stock cover and the modded one.

 

[Dennis]

Russ, just caught onto this thread..lol...a bit behind the times these days...glad to see your saw got there in one piece! Wow..it was running that high?? When I tached it out, it was around the 13300 mark if I remember correctly...I would have to double check my log book. I idled one tank through it, as well as did the timed cuts at RR's. So, I put about a tank and a half through it. As well, you shouldn't find an airleak as all the saws are pressure tested before they are run...(ran into this problem with craftsman, cylinder base uneven, factory squish was good so I didn't have to machine it) LIke I was saying...it seemed rich here...and my dealer couldn't get the other jets for me. Let me know what you come up with.

 

[bwalker]

Dennis, The differance between the way russ's saw ran in Canada and when he got it home to Newyork could be accounted for in temperature , altitude, and Gasoline composition. Saws ran on RFG will run alot leaner than those run on regular gas. I guess my point is with all of these variables its assinine to have a saw with a fixed high speed jet.

 

[jokers]

Hi Dennis, yeah the saw arrived in much beter condition than it would have if it had gone UPS from past experience. Also from past experience with your work, I would be shocked if there were a leak anywhere you touched it and I`ve already given the saw a cursory once over which came up empty. Like I said earlier the saw sounded like it was running just a tad fat when I fired it up which was really good, then within a short time of putting it to wood it starts to scream. I`ll be looking for a new jet, but it looks as if I may need a few on hand for the changing seasons. With the port timing changes you have made it should still tach 14,000 shouldn`t it? Russ