To top or not to top?

[ozzy42]

I work for a small company and I am the only climber. My bosssss is a short minded redneck (we don't use that word but you'd call him so...)...he's only about quantity, not about quality and safety. When I work on my own I do things my way (try to do in the proper way) but when I work for him I have to " compromise"....He's not caring about trees but only about his wallet and if the costumer says CUT here... he says ...well, you cut there...and every time is a big fight...Last week he took me to a park inside a factory where there are 6 Oaks and 2 Sweetgums...they go from 60 to 80 ft and he wants me to top them (remove 20-25 Ft)....that's not only against trees' nature...that is also against my nature...but here's the problem...if I don't do he calls another guy with the bucket truck who will top the trees and I will lose my money...:angry2and to tell the truth I'd need them right now).....in any case trees will be topped and damaged...so... should I do the work or not?

M

...didn't ask you

M

I beg to differ ,but you did ask.


Not trying to start anything ,but if you were convinced in your mind of what to do ,you would not have started the thread ,no?

 

[Neem]

I beg to differ ,but you did ask.


Not trying to start anything ,but if you were convinced in your mind of what to do ,you would not have started the thread ,no?

I was referring to what you said about the comparison ...just joking...didn't mean to answer in a bad way. And for sure I started the Thread cause I didn't know what to do and needed an advice from someone more experienced.

M

 

[ozzy42]

Fair enough,and excuse my manners for not welcoming you to the site.

I can't rep until sometime tonight,but I'll be sure to hit you with some.

 

[beowulf343]

oh oh oh...here we are...if you work as fast as you judge then you're the MAN Beowolfy ......been reading and waiting quite a bit before start posting cause i found threads and informations very useful and liked this site....unfortunately there are also people like you....wasn't you pointing the finger against my "integrity"???...and seen we are far away from the reason I started the thread.........I quit...you're the Winner...cause I don't believe in neg persons.

P.S. ....if you still wanna send money for my revolution (remember???) I take them....not angry

First off, i'm tired of yahoo's like you dumping on us rednecks.

Secondly, i'm tired of yahoo's like you running down the human race.

Thirdly, i'm tired of yahoo's like you starting threads whining about how their boss makes them do things that go against their beliefs. I still think that if these beliefs are so important to you, sack up and quit. If you keep working for the guy, you are going to either have to do what he tells you or get fired. But i think you are actually looking for validation for doing what you want to do.

 

[treeclimber101]

First off, i'm tired of yahoo's like you dumping on us rednecks.

Secondly, i'm tired of yahoo's like you running down the human race.

Thirdly, i'm tired of yahoo's like you starting threads whining about how their boss makes them do things that go against their beliefs. I still think that if these beliefs are so important to you, sack up and quit. If you keep working for the guy, you are going to either have to do what he tells you or get fired. But i think you are actually looking for validation for doing what you want to do.

Wow self proclaimed half decent tree climber , BUT A FIRST CLASS #### TALKER ..

 

[beowulf343]

Wow self proclaimed half decent tree climber , BUT A FIRST CLASS #### TALKER ..

Lol.

So what am i supposed to do. "Oh poor Neem, come here, cry on my shoulder. I know, your boss is just a big, mean, stupidhead. He's obviously not smart enough to take care of trees because he doesn't give them the respect they deserve. I mean seriously Neem, i can't believe this guy doesn't think trees are more valuable than humans. Cry it out Neem, here's some tissues. I know, I know. You want to do things your own way, because it's obvious you know more than your boss. Heck, i can't believe someone that stupid isn't working for you. I think you are right Neem, just go and do what you think is best instead of what your boss tells you to do. Really, stop crying. Everything will work out, this guy will realize you are his superior and offer you the company."

 

[treeclimber101]

Lol.

So what am i supposed to do. "Oh poor Neem, come here, cry on my shoulder. I know, your boss is just a big, mean, stupidhead. He's obviously not smart enough to take care of trees because he doesn't give them the respect they deserve. I mean seriously Neem, i can't believe this guy doesn't think trees are more valuable than humans. Cry it out Neem, here's some tissues. I know, I know. You want to do things your own way, because it's obvious you know more than your boss. Heck, i can't believe someone that stupid isn't working for you. I think you are right Neem, just go and do what you think is best instead of what your boss tells you to do. Really, stop crying. Everything will work out, this guy will realize you are his superior and offer you the company."

Wow impressive right over your head and never slowed down ..

 

[beowulf343]

Wow impressive right over your head and never slowed down ..

Actually no, but you've been looking to get into an argument with me for a while, and i'm kind of having fun putting you off.:biggrinbounce2:

 

[treeclimber101]

Actually no, but you've been looking to get into an argument with me for a while, and i'm kind of having fun putting you off.:biggrinbounce2:

It may come time to hash it out , maybe sooner rather than later I hate the suspense ....

 

[Rftreeman]

Now I get it....so tomorrow I wake up and I want my dog to have two legs....I go to the veterinarian and ask " Tired of my dog, wanna change something...can you cut down a couple of legs so that I have a two-leg dog?" ....who is he to tell me how MY dog should look???
M

again, apples to oranges..........but it is your dog and if you could find a vet to do it then it
s your business, not mine....

 

[mattfr12]

Enless topping becomes illegale wich it is not in my area it will probably continue to happen long after all of us retire and im 24. alot of customers have it set in thier mind that thats what they want done and nothing else. everyone on here knows its terrible to top trees. but if you pass on a job wich around here topping a maple goes for 500$+ depending on size, thier will be 50 companies behind you that will do it and thats 500 less you earn that year.

in the area i live in topping is huge and if i passed on jobs like that that could be 50,000 or more a year? i would give up. alot of HO are self proclaimed experts and already know whats best for thier trees.

Get paid or get shut down?

thiers lots of ways of looking at it


best of luck to all

 

[treeclimber101]

Enless topping becomes illegale wich it is not in my area it will probably continue to happen long after all of us retire and im 24. alot of customers have it set in thier mind that thats what they want done and nothing else. everyone on here knows its terrible to top trees. but if you pass on a job wich around here topping a maple goes for 500$+ depending on size, thier will be 50 companies behind you that will do it and thats 500 less you earn that year.

in the area i live in topping is huge and if i passed on jobs like that that could be 50,000 or more a year? i would give up. alot of HO are self proclaimed experts and already know whats best for thier trees.

Get paid or get shut down?

thiers lots of ways of looking at it


best of luck to all

I agree with you 100% and even know I will not "top" any tree it has cost me alot of money and every tree that I have been asked to do were done by someone so sometimes I really question the choice

 

[rwbinbc]

In My book the customer is allway right, Unless it deals with safety. I deal with a couple "redneck" bosses. One told me He didn't believe in using wedges, I us wedges alot. He kept fight with a plug cut binding the bar till I popped a wedge in it. Then I see Him using My wedge the next day, You can teach a old dog, old tricks. If They own it I'll cut it how ever they want, Safely.

I see things one way, You see them another, And that guy over there well He see's it another way.........

 

[Neem]

Enless topping becomes illegale wich it is not in my area it will probably continue to happen long after all of us retire and im 24. alot of customers have it set in thier mind that thats what they want done and nothing else. everyone on here knows its terrible to top trees. but if you pass on a job wich around here topping a maple goes for 500$+ depending on size, thier will be 50 companies behind you that will do it and thats 500 less you earn that year.

in the area i live in topping is huge and if i passed on jobs like that that could be 50,000 or more a year? i would give up. alot of HO are self proclaimed experts and already know whats best for thier trees.

Get paid or get shut down?

thiers lots of ways of looking at it


best of luck to all

Youy're right Matt. Here is the same and if you pass on a job another company is gonna do that and honestly now I can't afford that. So probably I think I am gonna do the job ...but I won't stop talking to people and trying to explain them that topping is not the only way... what is wrong with that?hoping one day to be in the conditions I can even say no to certain jobs. Thanx you all guys for repping and for the advices...............Hey Beowulf ...take it easy....don't take it personally......and anyway what does "yahoo's like "mean???....just curious ...sometimes I really can't catch all slang.....sorry


M

 

[mattfr12]

I agree with you 100% and even know I will not "top" any tree it has cost me alot of money and every tree that I have been asked to do were done by someone so sometimes I really question the choice

Ya its hard to do the right thing for the tree sometimes and still make money. the town i live in for example has 3000 trees on its streets. over 2000 of them have been repetitivly toped for the past 50 years. the numbers of the trees or just examples could be more or less.

the damage and destruction of thies trees happened before most of us where even born. once the deed is done the tree is crap. the way i look at it is im getting paid to just retop and already worthless tree.

what else can you do with it other than removal.

 

[mattfr12]

Youy're right Matt. Here is the same and if you pass on a job another company is gonna do that and honestly now I can't afford that. So probably I think I am gonna do the job ...but I won't stop talking to people and trying to explain them that topping is not the only way... what is wrong with that?hoping one day to be in the conditions I can even say no to certain jobs. Thanx you all guys for repping and for the advices...............Hey Beowulf ...take it easy....don't take it personally......and anyway what does "yahoo's like "mean???....just curious ...sometimes I really can't catch all slang.....sorry


M

i would make as much money as you can and retire someday. the guy who walks around passing on jobs because its not the proper way will end up with alot less money in his pocket someday.

advising people of proper pruning techniques is good and sometimes works. but what people usually tell me is the tree is to tall or i dont want it to fall over on my house and dont want it removed can you make it smaller. or they flat out dont care if it dies or rots and they just dont wanna rake leaves.

we have people that top all thier trees almost yearly so they dont have to rake as many leaves? believe it.

the average joe thinks making the tree smaller has to be 100% safer than proper pruning or cableing.

 

[himiler]

Neem
It's been said several different ways and all I'm doing is repeating.
You work for the guy, and he's your boss. You do what he says and you support him 100% unless it's a safety issue. If it's your job, your insurance, and your equipment, then you get to make the decisions. If not, then it's his decision.
You are learning to master the trade of being an arborist. Once you start a business, you are a business owner that has a business as an arborist. Trust me, there is a BIG difference.
As an employee, I used to worry about how professional the job was even if it took a bit longer. As a business owner, I worry about how soon I can finish a job and still be responsible.
As a business owner, win the job, get in, and get out.
As an employee, stay safe and stay honest.
Steve W.

 

[Neem]

advising people of proper pruning techniques is good and sometimes works. but what people usually tell me is the tree is to tall or i dont want it to fall over on my house and dont want it removed can you make it smaller. or they flat out dont care if it dies or rots and they just dont wanna rake leaves.

we have people that top all thier trees almost yearly so they dont have to rake as many leaves? believe it.

the average joe thinks making the tree smaller has to be 100% safer than proper pruning or cableing.

Same happening here. if I have the chance ( not possible all the times) I show them some previously topped trees in the neighborood and how they react and sometimes someone starts to think differently .....expecially if we are speaking about Birches and Cedars...the most topped trees around here

M

 

[treemandan]

If the owners of the trees understand all involved and still want em topped them I just say " sometimes its easier with yer spikes on" but if the jobs are being sold by a guy who persuades the topping as good treatment I would have to let the cat out of the bag myself.

 

[Neem]

If the owners of the trees understand all involved and still want em topped them I just say " sometimes its easier with yer spikes on" but if the jobs are being sold by a guy who persuades the topping as good treatment I would have to let the cat out of the bag myself.

:agree2:

M