Tom Dunlap, B.C.Hydro, spurs to trim

[clearance]

BC HYDRO CONTACTS

Manager Vegetation Maintenance

Grant Baxter
8475-128th Street
Surrey, B.C. V3W OG1
604-543-1550

Lower Mainland Distibution Manager
Gregg Hallaway
6900 Southpoint Drive
Burnaby, B.C. V3N 4X8
604-528-1613

There you go, ask them.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

Get their emails. There is no way that I'm going to call them and play phone tag, especially across time zones and international borders.

AND, this is the 21st century...who writes snail mail anymore

Now...find out where it says that the ISA is the one to enforce clean climbing of trees. I've been a life member for ten years and a CA for longer. There is no place that I've ever read that the ISA claims to be any kind of enforcement agency. They are an educational organization. If you were open to an education you might learn something.

 

[clearance]

Phone them Tom. I am sure a man of your intelligence could get thier e-mail, you were on thier website already, no? Write to the general comment and ask for the emails for these guys. Best I can do, I do not really hate the ISA, I certainly don't fear them. Like I have said, they let in anyone, some good, some useless and worse. And there is no utility section here, would be nice. As far as the ISA not under any obligation to enforce who they let use thier "good" name and wear their insignia, why not? because its just a money grab really. And you, Finding my Way, listen up buddy, I think you really should find your way. You keep climbing them monsters out there. Finally I am so glad you guys are not running around B.C. spouting off, its do-gooders like you guys that got rid of lawn darts and three wheelers.

 

[tophopper]

BC HYDRO CONTACTS

Manager Vegetation Maintenance

Grant Baxter
8475-128th Street
Surrey, B.C. V3W OG1
604-543-1550

Lower Mainland Distibution Manager
Gregg Hallaway
6900 Southpoint Drive
Burnaby, B.C. V3N 4X8
604-528-1613

There you go, ask them.

:greenchainsaw:

 

[clearance]

Hoppy-is that the best you can do? Like I said, pathetic.

 

[rebelman]

clearance, you remind of a movie, The Jerky Boys. If a hippy outworked you, would you admit it?

 

[tophopper]

Tom Dunlap, Treeseer, Tohopper, JPS, JJackson, Notahack, Rebelman

.....me and my ISA buddies

 

[tophopper]

Hoppy-is that the best you can do? Like I said, pathetic.

For prosperity mostly.



By the way- I still have my lawn darts

up for a game?

 

[clearance]

Tom, Treeco whoever else, here is a number for you 1-800-667-1517 that is Pacific Standard Time, same as Seattle or L.A.. No excuse not to call now, free, easy. I talked to a nice lady there and she said by all means call up and you will be called back by someone who will answer all your questions.

 

[jimmyq]

Clearance. FWIW, we arent bound by ANSI up here (as far as I know), just so our southern friends are up to date. I would actually suggest to talk to Brian Fisher in Nanaimo, he is very active with PNW chapter ISA and has been with BC hydro forever. The only contact I have had around here is with John Monk in Surrey, I think he is Veg manager for fraser valley West. I dont know why they do what they do, I am also curious why we in private practice are told it is gospel to climb without spikes and that there seems to be a major gap in practice between that and ROW work. I know a couple of CUA's and I will ask them next time I see them about it.

 

[clearance]

Jimmy, thanks, if you look at this thread you will see that I am not questioning spur usage, I spur everthing all the time. I wanted all the treehuggers to ask B.C.Hydro why it is ok to spur, veg. managers are all ISA cert., the ISA takes a very stern view on this subject. I know all the veg. managers in the lower mainland. I want these people here to get an answer from someone who can explain the "why" way better than me. I would also like to see the ISA kickout B.C. Hydro, or Hydro to leave the ISA. See the hypocrisy here? It is total b.s., ISA members don't want to rock the boat, put up or shut up.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

Now...find out where it says that the ISA is the one to enforce clean climbing of trees. I've been a life member for ten years and a CA for longer. There is no place that I've ever read that the ISA claims to be any kind of enforcement agency. They are an educational organization. If you were open to an education you might learn something.

Since you're the one who thinks that it's the ISA that has anything to do with enforcing clean climbing, have you done your homework? Find the place where the ISA says anything about clean climbing and utility work. As far as I know, there isn't anything written by the organization. There has been a lot written by people who are, and aren't, ISA members.

The hypocrisy that I see is the way that you spout off about the ISA and then don't show any kind of backup to your points.

Keep my name out of any further discussions. I have nothing to do with the way you climb trees. My stance about clean climbing is clear. I'm not an ISA minion can you see the seperation? Your loyalty to your spikes is much thicker than mine to anything.

 

[clearance]

Proves my point Tom, does it not embarass you at all to be part of a organization that allegedly cares for trees letting people fly the same flag as you, that don't care according to you, people that spur live? I don't have anything to back up, I don't care about trees like you do, you just will not ask your fellow ISA brothers why they are letting this huge (according to the ISA and you) no no happen. I am going to ask again, someone call the 1-800# and ask, ask or shut your face about spurs and utility work.

 

[treeseer]

Well this ISA buddy is having a hard enough time working with arborists in NC to make random complaints across the continent based on hearsay. I met Brian Fisher at conference last year; he moderated the pruning panel talk (we'll do it again next year!) and spoke on how it's best to take down defective trees. I spoke from my commercial perspective on how it's best to save them.

Different clients; he's my cousin not my brother but I respect what he does. If I see him in Minneapolis I will ask him. The standard allows spikes when the first branch is "more than a throwline distance" away, which of course leaves it with the skill and tools of the thrower; I've seen several hit crotches at 90+' with a Big Shot and I've seen TreeCo hit them at 50-60' with amazing accuracy just flinging by hand.

clearance on your cedar with the drooping branches, a tree man with skill can set a line around the branch bases in such a way that it could be safely climbed. A tree man without that skill (I'm not good at it myself) or the commitment to try would point to that tree as an excuse to spike everything.

Buy a Big Shot and rock your world!

 

[jmack]

wow

Will you EVER get off your notion that anyone who is ISA Certified is bound to anyone else who is ISA Certified? Get off your rocky top and put down the wide brush. If you have really taken the time to read what I write you would know that I speak to specifics as much as possible. If someone isn't following standards I speak to that specifically. For all we know, any of the people that you claim to be Certified could not be. Where did the ISA hurt you?

IN case you haven't paid attention, I don't paint all line clearance tree trimming as hack work. It might look like bad tree work but it certainly isn't commercial arboriculture. We are related like cousins, not brothers. Two separate and distinct disciplines within arborculture.

If a person were to write to your Hydro folks, who would be the person to question? I've been on BC Hydro's website and I would have no clue who to write to ask about their practices. Writing to the general comment email would get no further than standing on the corner here in Denver and shouting.

Give us a contact within the company so we could take up your challenge.

I jsut thought of something else...what 'rule' are these alleged ISA Certified arbos breaking when they allow everyone in the company to spike trees? It is your responsibility to show me where it says that the ISA is the one to enforce any kind of workplace practice.

Even in the ANSI Z133 there is a huge exception for using spikes to prune trees for line clearance in rural areas. Since the Z only applies to the United States, the discussion is moot.

The whole issue doesn't come down to the ISA that you hate and fear so much. It comes down to whether spikes harm trees. They do and that is proven and accepted. So does smoking but that's allowed. There is research that has shown that harming the corky bark can have an effect on tree health. If our goal is to take the best care of the tree then we're obligated to do anything that we can to keep the tree as healthy as possible. The goal is always to hit the 100th percentile. But Las Vegas wouldn't exist if that was possible.

holy ouch

 

[1I'dJak]

I'm into learning how to spurless climb... i've been climbing with them for a tree company for the last year cuz i knew no different.... however I have been windfirming and there's no way you're gonna do that job without spurs.... i've done it in 2nd growth doug fir....150-200ft with no ldecent live branches for the first 50-70ft....plus you're in a forest with a thick canopy of branches thats gonna interfere with trying to sling a line...its a production job....plus cuz its in the woods you gotta wear corks, which i imagine aren't the best for rope climbing...and i'm sure workers compensation wouldnn't lett you do the job without spurs......I've enjoyued perusing this site, i've leared alot already, but it seems people are kinda cliquey and quick to get on another guys case...

 

[clearance]

Treeseer- i have a cold right now and cannot make a brilliant come back, 1I'djak explained windfirming well. Have you been in the bush and seen it done? I can climb well with caulks on, can't see spurless climbing in them, but what do I know. As far as utility and throwlines, you cannot violate limits of approach under any circumstances. Utility guys that spurless put the rope up with a pole pruner so that they do not violate these limits. Educate yourself about utility procedures, it will be to your benefit, your knowledge of trees, like Toms is impressive, but there is more to know, especially so you can make sense to utility guys.

 

[clearance]

Get their emails. There is no way that I'm going to call them and play phone tag, especially across time zones and international borders.

AND, this is the 21st century...who writes snail mail anymore

Now...find out where it says that the ISA is the one to enforce clean climbing of trees. I've been a life member for ten years and a CA for longer. There is no place that I've ever read that the ISA claims to be any kind of enforcement agency. They are an educational organization. If you were open to an education you might learn something.

Here is something I dug up. Boston Bull was the only one who actually called up B.C. Hydro and questioned them, he was lied to. I called Mr. Fisher, indentified myself and talked to him. He told me that Tom Dunlap had been the one who called him to tell him that I had been talking about B.C. Hydro on this site. As you can see Tom didn't admit this here, actually he was somewhat less than forthcoming. The reason I am bringing this up is that I was riduculed and my word was disbelieved, this is the thread that started it all. A big thank you to Boston Bull who called, and to the others who supported me (not using spurs, calling B.S. that is) in getting to the truth.

 

[BostonBull]

Here is something I dug up. Boston Bull was the only one who actually called up B.C. Hydro and questioned them, he was lied to. I called Mr. Fisher, indentified myself and talked to him. He told me that Tom Dunlap had been the one who called him to tell him that I had been talking about B.C. Hydro on this site. As you can see Tom didn't admit this here, actually he was somewhat less than forthcoming. The reason I am bringing this up is that I was riduculed and my word was disbelieved, this is the thread that started it all. A big thank you to Boston Bull who called, and to the others who supported me (not using spurs, calling B.S. that is) in getting to the truth.

Anything ever come from Fishlips? I was curious about this........what a hack COMPANY for allowing this to take place! :deadhorse:

 

[clearance]

Anything ever come from Fishlips? I was curious about this........what a hack COMPANY for allowing this to take place! :deadhorse:

Boston, nothing has come from it yet, I figure he figures if he keeps quiet it will go away. But I figure there will be some kind of retaliation somewhere down the line. Oh well. Treeseer says B.C. Hydro is not to blame because it is thier employees that are ISA certified, not B.C. Hydro. Word games, same thing, I say. And yes I am a hack, it doesn't hurt. What the issue is for me is the lying, mouthing off about "the highest arboricultural standards, blah, blah", instead of standing up and saying "the guys that climb for us on our system can climb however they want". The lying by Mr. Fisher and the B.S. from his pal Mr. Dunlap is pretty sad, especially considering thier positions in the world of arboriculture. Sue me!!