Treecutr
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Also, I split some up to see how it would burn. too wet, and it stinks. smells stagnant. Not like a willow, but nasty.
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All of the pictures you have shown and the smell you described are all indicative of Siberian Elm. I believe someone said that already. And another thing, you should smell one with slime flux.
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With these pictures I feel strongly we are in the "elm" family.
Anytime I think of elm...especially in my and your area it is very easy just to say its an American elm...but...again the buds have me scratching my head. An earlier member posted buds that strongly resembled the Siberian...and to be honest...the odor you speak of does not in my memory stay consistent with American elm. I have always found American elm to have a sweet powdery smell when I first toss it onto the fire.
I remember cutting down a live American elm once in the spring and the sap shot about 15 feet in the air when it hit the ground. Real wet stuff that elm.
Let me ask...How tough was it to split? Let me know. American elm is a bugger to split. I don't have experience with Siberian elm but I heard it, along with Chinese elm splits much easier.
ChuckMI
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Siberian Elm. Siberian elm winter flower buds are relatively large, dark reddish-brown, globose (round). The wood is the color shown, it is fairly heavy and it isn't very hard to split.
Basswood winter buds are not as big, not as round, and are red or green. The wood is light.
Cottonwood buds are slender, long-pointed, and yellowish-brown, not round and not reddish-brown. The wood is heavy when first cut and light after it dries.
Siberian elm is often mistakenly called Chinese elm. Chinese elm, Ulmus parvifolia, is rarely cultivated. It has smaller leaves, flowers in early autumn, and is used for bonsai culture.
A good tree ID book, and the one I used for this, is Michigan Trees by Burton V. Barnes and Warren H. Wagner, Jr.
Basswood winter buds are not as big, not as round, and are red or green. The wood is light.
Cottonwood buds are slender, long-pointed, and yellowish-brown, not round and not reddish-brown. The wood is heavy when first cut and light after it dries.
Siberian elm is often mistakenly called Chinese elm. Chinese elm, Ulmus parvifolia, is rarely cultivated. It has smaller leaves, flowers in early autumn, and is used for bonsai culture.
A good tree ID book, and the one I used for this, is Michigan Trees by Burton V. Barnes and Warren H. Wagner, Jr.
Treecutr
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Very helpful. I would say it is Siberian Elm based on all input. I couldn't find my maul to split a piece last night, so I split an 8"-10" piece with a hatchet. had to hit it on edges, but not too difficult. I am confident that with maul it would pop right open. Wood is also frozen, I can see all the ice crystals in the wood when I split it, even a couple pieces of ice about the size of pencil eraser. Again heavy wood. Also I will look closer at leaves that are on the ground. There are NO other trees anywhere near here like it, so if I find Sib Elm leaves, we're in. Thanks.
Burned that stuff once.....never again.electrictrimmer
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Definitly an Elm. remember Basswoods have zig-zag twig patterns, sound hollow when you pound on them and have huge heart shaped leaves. Good luck with this one
caliman99
ArboristSite Lurker
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- wood grain and color
- thickness of sapwood layer
- annual rings in the heart lighter than surrounding wood instead of darker
- "slick" look on the end-grain face
= Elm (90% sure)
- smell
= Siberian Elm (70% sure)
Absolutely not a Chinese Elm (Ulmus Parvifolia). Chinese Elm has unmistakable bark. Really unusual and beautiful.
- wood grain and color
- thickness of sapwood layer
- annual rings in the heart lighter than surrounding wood instead of darker
- "slick" look on the end-grain face
= Elm (90% sure)
- smell
= Siberian Elm (70% sure)
Absolutely not a Chinese Elm (Ulmus Parvifolia). Chinese Elm has unmistakable bark. Really unusual and beautiful.
Loraxguy
ArboristSite Operative
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If you pull the bark off and look at it's edge it should have a layerd look. Dark brown then a white, brown and white etc. It reminds me of the look of a oreo cookie. Well if it does it's a American Elm. Those buds however appear to be Siberian elm...
If you pull the bark off and look at it's edge it should have a layerd look. Dark brown then a white, brown and white etc. It reminds me of the look of a oreo cookie. Well if it does it's a American Elm. Those buds however appear to be Siberian elm...
brisawyer
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Plas I like this id book lots of color pics.http://www.amazon.com/National-Audubon-Society-American-Trees-E/dp/0394507606
I took my saw outside and cut off a piece of semi green American elm I had laying from this fall. I wanted to see the color of it as compared to yours. All four pictures are of the same logs. I put a piece of walnut next to the elm just for scale as I'm not sure if the pictures color truly reflects reality. And, I think, the walnut is a gorgeous piece of dark wood...don't you think? The elm ain't too shabby either.
I went ahead and posted four pictures of the same logs all taken from different angles. I was worried of the flash and lighting. So...this is a known American elm. How does it compare to your specimen?
I went ahead and posted four pictures of the same logs all taken from different angles. I was worried of the flash and lighting. So...this is a known American elm. How does it compare to your specimen?
