Tree Service Association

[clearance]

doesn't matter what the regulations or requirements are of any business, you will always have "hacks" doing said work for less and doing bad work, the city only wants money or has an agenda like some inside bid rigging coming up and wants to keep the low bidders out so someone's buddy can get the contract, they don't want this to get rid of anyone, they want more money and by making the new rules and requiring permits for work will make long term revenue for the city.....

My thoughts as well. Also now-What are they going to pay you for your time and work on this? The city d.f.s get paid for whatever is they do beside slinking around the halls drinking coffee (thanks Slowp, for that). So, what about you sgrean?

 

[TreeWhitelock]

the city only wants money or has an agenda like some inside bid rigging coming up and wants to keep the low bidders out so someone's buddy can get the contract,

:agree2: Its not what you know but who you blow.

 

[M.D. Vaden]

The city is trying to get rid of about 10 tree services that would make u sick if u seen them. They want ordinances to prohibit the undesirables from working in the city.

Is that why they want an association instead of just basing the ordinance on an ISA certification?

Had they explained how going the association route would make a difference, instead of considering ISA as the association factor?

Because in Oregon, I think some towns use the ISA certification. And in California, for planning, I think that's how its done too.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

Is that why they want an association instead of just basing the ordinance on an ISA certification?

You need more then just cert, as stated there are hacks that get into the ISA just for the marketing.

But then again you may be right in the fact that the public is not that smart

That's not what I meant, I mean that the public is uninformed vis. tree care. I do not agree with your assessment of the current political situation, though I do agree with your assessment of Mr. Obama's bono fides, though this is not the venue to discuss national politics (like the Bush's were for small biz )

Also now-What are they going to pay you for your time and work on this?

Why expect payment? Is volunteerism completely dead? The volunteer adviser will get something out of it, since they believe in proper true tree care, they will still be working in the municipality.

 

[oldugly]

My sincere apologies for bringing politics into the mix. My last note on this statement, (and only to reply to JPS)..no, the Bush's were not for the small businessman either. There is no way anyone with half a brain could consider young Bush a conservative in any way shape or form, except for title. but he wasn't a bonafide communist either.

I sincerely wish the best for you in your assosciation endeavor. Hopefully it meets the cities goals, as there are alot of great people I met in Iowa recently and I wish the best for them. From what I seen, treecare in that area could use some improvement, so maybe this would be a good start. ISA cert would be a good standard to start with, from there a coalition with your competitors could hash out standards appropriate to the city's goals.

JP, and others I may have offended..again my apologies for mixing in national politics this venue...although I did think it somewhat relevant to the conversation...it was definitely off topic. Consider the ramblings of a very bitter American, and discount it as a fool who will still cling to his religion and his guns.

 

[Hddnis]

The city is trying to get rid of about 10 tree services that would make u sick if u seen them. They want ordinances to prohibit the undesirables from working in the city.

That is no business of the city whatsoever.

You may not like the other companies, but the work they do is between them and the people who hire them.

If you were wise you would tell the city to leave you all well enough alone. In time what you create will come back to bite YOU. It happens every time.



Mr. HE

 

[sgreanbeans]

It is the business of the City, they are the ones having problems, not me. It does not effect me when they shut down roads( unless I'm in the traffic!), It does effect the city, I would have like to seen the bill for a 5 Hour shut down, with public works, cops, etc, IT IS THE CITY'S BUSINESS WHO OPERATES IN THEIR TOWN, PERIOD. I'm not doing this to "rig prices" or any of that. I'm doing this because the city is going to do it, with or with out me, They asked for help, I will give it, and no I wont charge them for it.
JPS, u see what I'm trying to do, and I have begun to take action on your guidance. I thank many of you for your insight. This will happen, so please, I don't need advice on why its wrong or why it shouldn't be done, we are beyond that.
As for the Politics..............................................................................................Schwarzenegger/Ventura :hmm3grin2orange:2012:hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange:

 

[jmack]

I have been asked to organize a Tree Service Association by one of the City's that I work for, this is so they can establish an ordinance that covers who get a business license and sets a standard in proper care ( I think it is really cool that they are concerned about who is running the streets with a saw).
I have never worked this type of request before, I was wondering if any of you already have a local group or have set one up, please, anyone have pointers to go in the right direction? would be greatly appreciated!
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the standards should be what is already there isa certs for your state

 

[jmack]

That is no business of the city whatsoever.

You may not like the other companies, but the work they do is between them and the people who hire them.

If you were wise you would tell the city to leave you all well enough alone. In time what you create will come back to bite YOU. It happens every time.



Mr. HE

btw that is a great statement you dont want red tape either

 

[tree MDS]

btw that is a great statement you dont want red tape either

I liked that post too.

 

[treemandan]

flame war? I will be back after while, need to go teach yungins some Judo!

That flame war. Wish you were back in judo?

I would say if it looks good for you to work with the city and you have the means then go ahead. Of course just watch out as they might turn on you cause all the ISA credit in the world will crumble when it comes to the budget. And it just might though it looks like you have a good shot.
But what is life without challenge, duty, risk?

I often think about contacting the township about doing some volunteer work at the park. Its bad. The guys they got are , well they are not exactly doing it right. It looks as though my tax dollars were spent on some half decent trees and shrubs that are now being brutalitized at the hands of the guys at general maintenance. I suppose they don't know, they would rather be driving the loader or eating lunch and the mulch is pretty. If I didn't have to deal with the guys on the crew I would probably do it but I don't want to hear their BS. I know they think I am another madcap tree guy... but they know I am bad to the bone so they are causual on the drive by. I think they might be grateful I do this work... so they don't have to.

 

[treemandan]

That is no business of the city whatsoever.

You may not like the other companies, but the work they do is between them and the people who hire them.

If you were wise you would tell the city to leave you all well enough alone. In time what you create will come back to bite YOU. It happens every time.



Mr. HE

Cities get funding fron the FED GOV for certain things like trash, parks, trees. Tree City USA is a program that gives funding to municipalties who care for the tree better and preserve them. Its is a political/money thing of course. You have to have the means, stamina and stomach for it I would hazzard a guess.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

How many small towns have tree wardens that are more then urban forester/tree trimmers? I know that New England has them described by law, I was wondering how it has been adapted in other areas vis. the subject at hand.

JP, and others I may have offended..again my apologies

I was not offended, I've been disenchanted wit'em all for a while now. I just did not what the thread to go off the rails. Though now you know ho0w Tom D. felt with Bush :deadhorse::notrolls2:

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

It was nice talking to you again Scott, too bad it was not an hour earlier DE looks to be opening $5.00 over yesterdays close. I might have put in a play on it if we had talked before 3. :bang:

 

[sgreanbeans]

JPS, Back atcha! Sorry about the missed market opp!
I found a whole bunch of Tree Warden materiel, good stuff. Also, local college, Augustana, in Moline, Ill. has a Botany program, could u look at that site and tell me what u think of the course description?
Also found several city ordinances, they, of course, all differ slightly, but all have really good ideas. I have not found any good formats on forming a association or coalition yet.

 

[sgreanbeans]

Treemandan, ok, now I see the flame war! It definitely let me know who's who! Judo, there isn't much room for opinions!
those get left at the door, or you get dumped.......hard!
I get that as well from the city kids, actually have a pic of some city guys, in s small rural township, "showing me how its done", they were in a Case backhoe one guy in the bucket, flying down the road, trimming tree's!
The kid would wave to the operator to stop, he would stick the saw up in the air and operator would go forward real slow, the kid cut what ever was in the way! all falling in the street, on him, the machine!
It was crazy, no PPE whatsoever,had to get pics!

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

Link me to the bot program, what I can see is that there are course in their biology BS program.

Regarding the association, look at tree boards. It sound like this is what they are talking about, but that it is unofficial.

Maybe it could be an official board of volunteers, appointed by the mayor?

 

[treemandan]

Treemandan, ok, now I see the flame war! It definitely let me know who's who! Judo, there isn't much room for opinions!
those get left at the door, or you get dumped.......hard!
I get that as well from the city kids, actually have a pic of some city guys, in s small rural township, "showing me how its done", they were in a Case backhoe one guy in the bucket, flying down the road, trimming tree's!
The kid would wave to the operator to stop, he would stick the saw up in the air and operator would go forward real slow, the kid cut what ever was in the way! all falling in the street, on him, the machine!
It was crazy, no PPE whatsoever,had to get pics!

Yes, when I am pruning trees from the bucket of a loader I always wear my hardhat.:hmm3grin2orange:

 

[teamtree]

Seems like you are trying to reinvent the wheel.

You can rely on TCIA and ISA as far as an organization. But I would look at to your state department of natural resources for help first.

The city would just need to adopt an ordinance that states any one performing tree work within the city limits has to have a license. To get the license you need to maintain appropriate insurance and attend a seminar on tree care. Not sure how far you can go, but it works well for the City of Evansville. The big thing will be, does the city have someone in place to enforce the ordinance?????

I am working on a similar project for a local city in which they are trying to educate the public, get a grip on there internal tree care policies and obtain TreeCityUSA status. Let me tell you, it is a long process and it gets political at times. The mayor is resisting the ordinance because he does not want to police what people do on their properties.

 

[jmack]

no new license just have one person on the co be a certified arborist other wise your gonna have problems with your enforcement issues