Tree Sitters asked to leave... kinda

[Col2y]

heres some stuff i found on youtube that i found pretty interesting, not a usual rigging scenario but pretty entertaining never the less. it should be good for a convo even though its prolly going to be a little one sided. the series is about 55 minutes long,

i have to give cudos to the climbers theres about a dozen times i would have knocked the guy out and wrapped him up like a mummy to lower him down, but they kept there cool.

part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5-u6qBjxSM&feature=related
part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55-H9FvEG8E&feature=related
part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhKpgJ5x3NI&feature=related
part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIFxFU4lojg&feature=related
part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdJg0OaE0BU&feature=related
part 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb20yg3yc8s&feature=related

 

[(WLL)]

wow, thats one strange tree job, the climbers did a great job

 

[M.D. Vaden]

Reminds me of the Bounty Hunter show.

Not sure which type is more out of the mainstream - the sitters or the extractors.

It's one thing to do arboricultural climbing.

When it comes to this kind of work - a question can arise about why someone would contract this kind of climbing: even for pay.

It seems that the possiblity for complications is great.

In other words, this could be the route to getting a hand bitten off by "the system". Too many opportunities for a blindside back stab and not knowing when and by whom.

 

[BuddhaKat]

Wouldn't it have been faster just to notch the tree bout halfway through?

 

[Slvrmple72]

Loved the frequent f-bombs used by Phoenix followed by the comment about the hate he could sense from the guys trying to safely get him back down to the ground. I wonder if they had as much fun with the other fella! Sheesh.

 

[BuddhaKat]

Well now, after having actually watched the videos from start to finish I can truly say that I would have handled the job quite differently.

ME: Hi, I'm here to help you get down from this tree.
HE: Well I'm not... (Pop) OW!!! Hey man, what the #### did you just shoot me with?
ME: Here's a harness. You've got about a minute to get into it and get clipped to that rope before you pass out. If you make it I'll lower you down safely. If you fall out before you get clipped I'm not going to catch you. This is a test of your willingness to die to save a tree. Oh by the way, after you're down, one way or the other, we're still taking the tree down. We'll be happy to name the one we plant in its place after you though. You've got about 30 seconds left. Better get moving. Tick tock, tick tock.

 

[(WLL)]

that has got to be the strangest tree job i ever saw

the only thing i would have done different is use rope and tie up my own rope cuffs, the zip ties looked useless. i also would have latex gloves on under my atlas rubber palms. just as an extra precaution i would have cinched some clove hitches around the heads of the sitters so they could not spit at me. ox-man and Eric did a great job. i watched all the videos, one after the other. looks like OX was taking it easy on them scrubs i would not have been so nice:blob5:

 

[Col2y]

the only thing i would have done different is use rope and tie up my own rope cuffs, the zip ties looked useless. i also would have latex gloves on under my atlas rubber palms. just as an extra precaution i would have cinched some clove hitches around the heads of the sitters so they could not spit at me. ox-man and Eric did a great job. i watched all the videos, one after the other. looks like OX was taking it easy on them scrubs i would not have been so nice:blob5:

i was thinking when they were putting the zip ties around his feet, it would have been funnier if they just zip tied his big toes together, we use to do that to people in college when they passed out it works like a charm.

i also like the idea of the california love knot, or rope cuffs as you reffered to them

 

[Trignog]

Wow, sounds awesome. I can't view the vids because I'm in Iraq and the internet is too slow.

I'm an arborist from New England but right now I am an infantry Marine. I tell you what flexi cuffs work great on these jerks here. I hope I can get on a gig like that some day.

I hate hippies.

 

[Col2y]

Wow, sounds awesome. I can't view the vids because I'm in Iraq and the internet is too slow.

I'm an arborist from New England but right now I am an infantry Marine. I tell you what flexi cuffs work great on these jerks here. I hope I can get on a gig like that some day.

I hate hippies.

they were just regular zip ties not those heavy duty boys you got, that does look like a lot of fun though i like when "ox" kneels on that dudes neck thats my favorite part

keep up the good fight and stay safe mate

 

[jrietkerk]

I hate foreign owned companies that clearcut and don't give a crap about forests or forest based economies, like these Maxxam nitwits that these protesters were trying to stop. Which they did, by the way. Clearcutting sucks.

 

[clearance]

I hate foreign owned companies that clearcut and don't give a crap about forests or forest based economies, like these Maxxam nitwits that these protesters were trying to stop. Which they did, by the way. Clearcutting sucks.

I am not in favor of foreign owned forestry companies either.
Now clearcutting is the safest way to log by far, for the fallers and everyone else. It is also more profitable. As jrietkerk knows well, but will not tell anyone here, the island on which he lives has been logged for many years. Most of it clearcut. For the second or third time. It grows back strong on the coast and Vancouver Island. Selective logging is not the panacea it it made out to be. Clearcuts do not suck.

 

[jrietkerk]

didn't think I had to tell anyone about clearcuts on VanIsle - we have traditionally had the biggest ones on the planet. Might make sense on second or third growth, but clearcutting old growth in this day and age is ridiculous. Especially when the logs are shipped overseas, or turned into trinkits or pulp. Or when the cuts are on steep slopes and around fish habitat. That sure sucks, ask the fish.

 

[clearance]

didn't think I had to tell anyone about clearcuts on VanIsle - we have traditionally had the biggest ones on the planet. Might make sense on second or third growth, but clearcutting old growth in this day and age is ridiculous. Especially when the logs are shipped overseas, or turned into trinkits or pulp. Or when the cuts are on steep slopes and around fish habitat. That sure sucks, ask the fish.

If you can't clearcut old growth how do you get second or third growth then?

Logs should never be shipped overseas or out of B.C., true. H.R. MacMillan said this in 1956.

Most of the B.C. coast is steep, or very steep. Lots of it has been clearcut. Yes, there have been many slides, but with variable retention, not as many now.

Fish habitat, have you not heard of riparian areas? Course you have, I worked for over a year, windfirming trees in those areas, I know a fair bit about stream classifications and the like. Ain't no yarding logs up creeks, or anything remotely like that, hasn't been for some time.

 

[M.D. Vaden]

Selective logging is not the panacea it it made out to be. Clearcuts do not suck.

A clearcut is probably not too much worse than some mild forest fires that have struck areas.

Except that much clearcutting strips CWD volume from forests. Whereas forest fires can leave tremendous amounts of coarse woody debris. And the lack of generous CWD in some forests actually kills-off some species of shrubs. It has to to with flower protection and grazing animals.

I understand that McArthur Creek headwaters of Redwood National Park up in the hills has some stumps 32' in diameter. Coast redwoods were there like "Prairie Creek" redwoods on steroids is the report.

McArthur creek tends to have a lot of sediment in it now, because the water-holding capacity of the canopy cover and forest floor litter has been stripped by clearcutting.

So if clearcutting is a better option in some forests. It must be selective areas.

It's certain that clearcuts have to be a better choice in some areas.

One thing is a fact ... Old growth conifer forests of west Oregon were able to fertilize the soil from the lichens prior to clearcutting. And it's estimated that several centuries will be required to restore that type of habitat again. The clearcutting over the decades removed and affected nutrient replenishment for decades and centuries into the future. Now that's one aspect that I don't hear many people suggest alternatives for, who are in favor of clearcutting.

 

[(WLL)]

A clearcut is probably not too much worse than some mild forest fires that have struck areas.

Except that much clearcutting strips CWD volume from forests. Whereas forest fires can leave tremendous amounts of coarse woody debris. And the lack of generous CWD in some forests actually kills-off some species of shrubs. It has to to with flower protection and grazing animals.

I understand that McArthur Creek headwaters of Redwood National Park up in the hills has some stumps 32' in diameter. Coast redwoods were there like "Prairie Creek" redwoods on steroids is the report.

McArthur creek tends to have a lot of sediment in it now, because the water-holding capacity of the canopy cover and forest floor litter has been stripped by clearcutting.

So if clearcutting is a better option in some forests. It must be selective areas.

nice post M.D. you have made a complete 180 turn around with many informative posts. keep it up

 

[pdqdl]

If I had gone up that tree...

I'd have brought a taser. After the leg loopie was on, I would offer to let them put on a harness. Once. Then it would be ZAP! Wrap 'em up and lower.

It's too dangerous in a tree to wrestle. Think how bad it could have been if the protesters had been inclined to use weapons, or maybe knives to cut climbing lines?

Apart from the profanity, I would say the protesters were pretty well behaved. Given that they were protesting, of course.

 

[M.D. Vaden]

Didn't look for the link yet about the species decline in relation to lack of CWD - that was Washington forest.

But did find a page with info I recall about Redwood Creek. Redwood Creek area has some substantial natural erosion, but apparently pales in comparison to the logging triggered erosion. The river was supposed to have been a narrow channel at one time.

The clearcut logging apparently initiated as much as 8 feet of sediment in some areas.

The whole scenerio has really twisted the ecosystem base on what several sources contribute.

In the last 40 of 50 years, Salmon populations have been reduced.

And some of the sediment deposited was a coarse sediment. What that means is that although some pools are deepening visually on the surface, quite a bit of the river moves sub-surface out of sight down in the coarse sediment. Instead of having fine sediment beneath and forcing all the water flow on top.

There is also supposed to be a moderate problem with bears eating young redwood tree tissue in the redwoods. Especially in "thinned" areas. The redwoods of thinned areas have a higher sugar to turpene ratio.

I was told by someone who has extensive experience in the redwoods, that the condition of the bear's teeth may also be deteriorating. And that it's suspected to be related to the clearcutting affecting the eating habits of bears.

The interelated problems make sense.

On one hand there were these forests developing huge stands of old growth over many centuries with intermittent breaks like prairies, some forest fire burns, etc..

Then the other hand is was clearcutting that changed about 75 percent of a single species entire habitat.

One .pdf I was reading about the bears chewing on trees, said that bears prefer trees that were pruned more than trees which are not pruned. I think it may be referring to lower limbs being removed in certain silviculture areas. I plan to look for more on this. I've just scratched the surface on this bear chewing trees thing. Just learned that one recently.

 

[jrietkerk]

Ain't no yarding logs up creeks, or anything remotely like that, hasn't been for some time.

thank christ that nonsense stopped. But its the sediment that ruins the fish habitat. I'm all for logging responsibly - if the big companies have been doing it for so long, why are they going after the last 1% of the original growth in the most backwater valleys and watersheds? Should be all kinds of money in the plantations they've been working on for the last 100 years. Its greed, and only those at the top will benefit from it - a few boys will make decent money, but their kids will lose out.

True, fire is part of the ecology, but many of the veteran trees would survive and benefit from the clearing in the understory. The effect of fire is also irregular, as opposed to a consistent change like a clearcut. I suppose like everything else, moderation is the key. I'm no forester, but clearcuts must have their place somewhere - but its place is not making cuts that are visible from space or mowing down the last stands of old growth!

It all comes down to value ; do you value the 500 and 1000+ year old trees as a legacy and for their irreplacable ecology? Maxxam sure didn't, despite what the people of Humbolt County thought. Sure, something will grow back, but without the fish coming back up the streams, the trees will never get that big again ; salmon bring nutrients from the open ocean up into the forest and make things really big.

Seems reasonable to me to leave the little bits that are left, if only so future generations can look at them.

Forestry and fishing built BC to the point where we can find new ways of doing things. The US government had to enact legislation to save redwoods from the greedheads back in the thrities, despite putting up with a ton of crap from the logging companies. Good thinking. There'd be a lot less redwoods around if not for that.

The activists like the EF'ers in the videos and groups like Friends of Clayoquot stand up to the government and chubby mercenaries like Oxman and help people see whats going on. I'm sure Phoneix will never forget that sweaty a$$ sitting on his face for hours, but I wonder who will be remembered down the road with those trees still there?

 

[M.D. Vaden]

The activists like the EF'ers in the videos and groups like Friends of Clayoquot stand up to the government and chubby mercenaries like Oxman and help people see whats going on. I'm sure Phoneix will never forget that sweaty a$$ sitting on his face for hours, but I wonder who will be remembered down the road with those trees still there?

Your reply overlapped something else related and worth noting.

Seen this video ???

Climber in Rockefeller Forest

Click the tab for other videos from the same user.

Then click the details tab next.

If nothing gets edited, isn't the source of this close to who is going up after the treesitters?

Maybe time for the tide to change and let the treesitters go gang up on this kind of Rockfeller Forest climbing and do some cuffing with cable ties.