under bed pickup dump

[treevet]

[UOTE=Stihl-O-Matic;1612716]The problem I have with this model is the support system looks weak, piston looks underpowered. I noticed they dont show any pics of it with decent loads in the bed only empty raised beds. Plus as I mentioned the supports do not look that strong. I would be concerned about the strength of this system with the bed raised with the truck on even a road with a steep grade. It looks like any heavy load with a side lean would twist it like a pretz.

They do sell a 5k rated piston but it is $1k more. They do show a full load of mulch being dumped on the 08 Silverado 3500 hd link but I don't know how much a load of dry mulch weighs. Not that much IMO. It does say this thing goes up 49 degrees as opposed to the standard 45 degrees.

You gotta worry about the side dump even on the dump insert. It is not a good approach on either choice.

But in the pro side of the argument if you were looking to maintain the look of your truck and only wanted to haul lite loads it could be nice.

Yeah I wouldn't ever be hauling stone or sand although I think I will prob add a helper set up to this truck anyway in case I want to boom a decent size log in when all my big trucks are full at the end of the day.

I myself would prefer dump insert. Though it weighs more you can improve your suspension some to make up for it and it gives you the option of a headache board and slip in side boards for larger loads. Take it out and your bed is not destroyed from tossing big logs in.

I am still considering the dump insert but I am getting one or the other soon just mainly for the half cord dump to drive out with a stereo and some ac or just a nice easy ride instead of the dump trailer all the time.

A one ton dump just doesn't make any sense to me in my tree business. I would squash that thing like I did with the last one I had craning big honkers into it. I have 3 other big dumps.

With the dump insert it is more likely you will put it on your next truck too.

 

[John464]

I am still considering the dump insert but I am getting one or the other soon just mainly for the half cord dump to drive out with a stereo and some ac or just a nice easy ride instead of the dump trailer all the time.

A one ton dump just doesn't make any sense to me in my tree business. I would squash that thing like I did with the last one I had craning big honkers into it. I have 3 other big dumps.

With the dump insert it is more likely you will put it on your next truck too.

so you are hand loading firewood to go deliver? why not just take your dump truck and load the half cord with a loader in under 10 mins and if a piece jumps over the side you dont have a dent? That truck is too purty to be messin with firewood. Looks exactly like mine(red too) cept mine is a 2500 Sierra(different front end) Nice truck!

 

[treevet]

so you are hand loading firewood to go deliver? why not just take your dump truck and load the half cord with a loader in under 10 mins and if a piece jumps over the side you dont have a dent? That truck is too purty to be messin with firewood. Looks exactly like mine(red too) cept mine is a 2500 Sierra(different front end) Nice truck!

No we load with the conveyor into the trailer or, again, we throw, downhill (by hand) into a halfcord size bin and then pick it up with the boom truck (truck crane) and put it over the dump trailer and disconnect 2 end chokers and dump it into the dump trailer. 2 bins equal one cord.

Don't have a loader except a couple of mini skids.

Seems to me at the end of a day of tree work my gm can take a half hour to hand load a half cord (if spare time as there always is) and I can go and dump it on the way home and pick up $160 and go out and buy myself something real extravagant and stupid. (or wait a couple of weeks and put a couple of grand on some custom wheels and big tires, etc).

Thanx for the "nice truck" bet yours is too. Got any picts?

 

[tomtrees58]

good for mulch that's it dont put wood in it with out bracing it{ the body}i have Sean to many guys do that the bed will bend tom trees

 

[treevet]

good for mulch that's it dont put wood in it with out bracing it{ the body}i have Sean to many guys do that the bed will bend tom trees

I agree, bed comes off in installation and my welder will reinforce it.

 

[treevet]

I'd like to have a small aluminum flat bed for my 3/4 ton 4x4. It's a 96 Dodge and the paint is starting to go.

I've always hated the way the fenders stick out on a one ton and over the years have had the guys tear a few up. A small flat bet would not have to stick out as far as the back wheel fenders and would have considerably more floor space.

I've done some searching on the web and haven't found anything that is reasonable in price. It probably just that I'm too tight.

I've looked into the inserts and one drawback it that they do add quite a bit of weight. Not real large either.

You must be talking a dually Dan (fenders sticking out on a one ton)?

 

[Blakesmaster]

With the dump insert it is more likely you will put it on your next truck too.

That's the key right there for me. Yes, you'll lose some space and add some weight but you'll save your bed and like was said earlier, you can always put on some cheater boards. A dumping pickup bed might reduce your resale value depending on the customer whereas, you can just remove an ez dumper, put the tailgate back on and it looks like your truck has never really worked. Plus you still have the dump to slide into your new paint. No extra cost. JMO

My F350 came with a EZ dumper insert built over a flatbed. We built a removable chipbox into the EZ dumper which will hold about 8 yards. Once we upgrade to a real chip truck I'll scrounge the EZ dumper off the ford, sell it as a flatbed and put the dump in my 3/4 ton Chevy. I'll keep the chipbox off until I need a second truck on larger jobs then slide it into the cheater boards, throw in my 4 bolts and voila, 2 chip trucks! Takes about 3 minutes to convert to enclosed chip box. And I'll keep painting and switching that dump from pickup to pickup till...well...it just falls apart.

 

[treevet]

I've had several in the past. One was an 1980 one ton with a 454 and auto trans crew cab. Talk about a towing vehicle! I picked it up in 1990 with only 30k miles and wore it out. I've got a one ton now with a chip box, it's an 87F350 and it's no wider than a dually with the bump out fenders. Did I mention how I hate those fenders?

I've also got an 83 Ford F600 that looks almost like yours...it's got the Detroit 500ci with an Allison trans.

Your paint work looks good. Reminds me I've got some painting to do.

I have converted a number of non-dually one tons to dumps. 2 were pto's and one was electric. Wore all 3 out but got great use out of them. Come to think of it I haven't even ck'd if this one has a pto plate on the trans yet.

I know what you mean bout the fenders. I bought a dually bed for a dump bin for my crane and didn't take long for the fiberglass fenders to bust up and we tore them off. Next the tailgate stopped working from the bed torquing sideways.

Detroit 500ci....nice. My f600 has the 370ci and it is acceptable. Speaking of conversions, I bought this as a flat that was a delivery truck and traded another local tree guy for the dump bed that couldn't handle a nasty takedown (to just get it on the ground). It has a gigantic piston that dumps almost straight up. Lucked into that. Then I bought a Asplundh chip box from a wholesaler for 600$ and just bolted it to the flat, so I can put it on another flat dump sometime.

 

[treevet]

We built a removable chipbox into the EZ dumper which will hold about 8 yards.

How did you build the chip box that is on and off so easy? I think EZ sells one but I am sure it is way expensive.

 

[Blakesmaster]

How did you build the chip box that is on and off so easy? I think EZ sells one but I am sure it is way expensive.

We fastened the cheater boards directly to the ez-dumper, crafted our chipbox to slide inside the cheater boards and rest atop the lip of the dumper. 4 bolts with wingnuts hold the box to the cheater boards.

 

[treevet]

We fastened the cheater boards directly to the ez-dumper, crafted our chipbox to slide inside the cheater boards and rest atop the lip of the dumper. 4 bolts with wingnuts hold the box to the cheater boards.

Like to see a pict of that. Sounds easy. I am leaning to the Truckcraft insert that is aluminum and weighs about 350 lbs less than a steel one. It will dump 7k lbs and comes with a bulkhead and sides at a price of $5k even with a 3 year guar. (installed).

That under the bed unit I was considering comes in at $3k and takes around 12 to 15 hours installation time that I would have to pay my mechanic and have the hassle of transplanting it on a new truck. Anyone else have a Truckcraft aluminum insert?

 

[treevet]

 

[Blakesmaster]

Like to see a pict of that. Sounds easy. I am leaning to the Truckcraft insert that is aluminum and weighs about 350 lbs less than a steel one. It will dump 7k lbs and comes with a bulkhead and sides at a price of $5k even with a 3 year guar. (installed).

That under the bed unit I was considering comes in at $3k and takes around 12 to 15 hours installation time that I would have to pay my mechanic and have the hassle of transplanting it on a new truck. Anyone else have a Truckcraft aluminum insert?

If you go to our website, choicetreecare.com, you can see a glimpse of it in the pictures section approx. 12-15 pics into the oak trim job. The lettering on the sides is on the cheater boards and inside that is where the chipbox slides.

 

[treevet]

Thanks, I'll check it out after work.

 

[Daddy M Dawg]

The truck looks cool. It's always great to get ideas from guys on AS. Yall's Maple "thinning" on the other hand doesn't look like the best of advertising for a professional tree service. Looks like a lot of heading cuts were the end result.

 

[Blakesmaster]

The truck looks cool. It's always great to get ideas from guys on AS. Yall's Maple "thinning" on the other hand doesn't look like the best of advertising for a professional tree service. Looks like a lot of heading cuts were the end result.

Yeah, that maple's a work in progress and I've been beat up pretty bad from the guys here already. AThat's how you learn though. The truck's ok, but far too small for the direction we're headed. I'm assuming my new chipper will be able to pack it full in about 5 minutes.

 

[SLlandscape]

my main concern would be the hardware. specifically the bolts, they don't appear to be grade 8 bolts. also, if there are bushings on the hinges and what are they made of.

 

[Blakesmaster]

Like to see a pict of that.

Here's some better pics, vet. It's definitely a bit redneck looking but it gets the job done. On the first pic you can see the pressure treated cheater boards on the far left with the chip box insert a few inches inside them held on with wingnuts. As you can see in the second pic the box slides right in and bolts on. 2-3 minutes, tops. Overall the truck looks decent, but not quite there if ya know what I mean. This is why we're planning on buying a nice cdl level chip truck and simply saving the ezdumper to put in our pickup when we send the ford on it's merry way. It looks much cleaner without the chip box but we'll always have that option in a pinch.

 

[treevet]

That truck looks just fine Blakesmaster. Options are everything in this biz. My theory all along is to use mostly older stuff so I can double up on everything and work mostly locally so it is not a strain on the equipment. I have pretty much decided on the Truckcraft. One came in but the bulkhead will take a couple of weeks to get here. That will give me a second wood delivery truck for half cords and little run around dump to take up in yards. It only weighs 400lbs. I am not much on the pretty boy trucks. I am gonna work any truck I buy. It will look like showroom on the outside but that is about it. Better be ready to wear some sawdust if you get in my cab.

 

[ropensaddle]

That truck looks just fine Blakesmaster. Options are everything in this biz. My theory all along is to use mostly older stuff so I can double up on everything and work mostly locally so it is not a strain on the equipment. I have pretty much decided on the Truckcraft. One came in but the bulkhead will take a couple of weeks to get here. That will give me a second wood delivery truck for half cords and little run around dump to take up in yards. It only weighs 400lbs. I am not much on the pretty boy trucks. I am gonna work any truck I buy. It will look like showroom on the outside but that is about it. Better be ready to wear some sawdust if you get in my cab.

From what I have read about Truckcraft they are the way to go. Pay load, and never rust I just wish they were not five k