Unmarked Devices

[treemandan]

Yet another recall involving unmarked ( rated) climbing/rigging gear.


A wave of recollection from years ago crept into my mind, some rule about not using unmarked gear. Its true. Its is a rule of climbing not to ever use unmarked gear. That had to come back to me, I had kinda forgotten but its one of the first things I learned.
And its gotten obscure. I mean who would think that they would be using unmarked gear in the manufacturing process of the gear it self. Hell, you get unmarked gear at they hardware store AND if you look, these days that stuff is marked!
I certainly would not have given my saddle such a close inspection as to check to see if they rings had a rating mark though I could see some other flaws.
Its very good to be skeptical to anything new for reasons such as it can obscure the basic rules about climbing such as this. Every climber death is caused by climber error but they are the ones who broke the rule then sent it to us.
Anyway, I gotta go to work but more on this and more on recalls in general if yer interested. I know I lot about recalls, I used to destroy evidence for Firestone... I probably shouldn't have said that but if they find me thay sure are gonna be in for physical ass stomping if I see one of em.

 

[climberjones]

yet another recall involving unmarked ( rated) climbing/rigging gear.


A wave of recollection from years ago crept into my mind, some rule about not using unmarked gear. Its true. Its is a rule of climbing not to ever use unmarked gear. That had to come back to me, i had kinda forgotten but its one of the first things i learned.
And its gotten obscure. I mean who would think that they would be using unmarked gear in the manufacturing process of the gear it self. Hell, you get unmarked gear at they hardware store and if you look, these days that stuff is marked!
I certainly would not have given my saddle such a close inspection as to check to see if they rings had a rating mark though i could see some other flaws.
Its very good to be skeptical to anything new for reasons such as it can obscure the basic rules about climbing such as this. Every climber death is caused by climber error but they are the ones who broke the rule then sent it to us.
Anyway, i gotta go to work but more on this and more on recalls in general if yer interested. I know i lot about recalls, i used to destroy evidence for firestone... I probably shouldn't have said that but if they find me thay sure are gonna be in for physical ass stomping if i see one of em.

hmmmmm sounds interesting!!

 

[beastmaster]

I sent an e-mail to weaver leather about the second recall on my cougar saddle. They claimed they responded as soon as the first sign of a faulty O ring was made aware to them.
They bought the rings from Kong of Italy. The whole Profession knew of the Kong recall of unmarked O rings months ago. How did that slip by them tell two weeks ago? I not the sharpest pencil in the box, but I think I could of put two and two together. " Hmmm, We bought unmarked rings from Kong for our cougar saddle, and then Kong had a had a recall of their unmarked Rings, I wonder?"
In their return e-mail they apologize and offered me a weaver T shirt and cap. Go figure. I know some ones covering up some mistake somewhere. This is life and death stuff. Shame on you Weaver. Beastmaster

 

[treemandan]

I sent an e-mail to weaver leather about the second recall on my cougar saddle. They claimed they responded as soon as the first sign of a faulty O ring was made aware to them.
They bought the rings from Kong of Italy. The whole Profession knew of the Kong recall of unmarked O rings months ago. How did that slip by them tell two weeks ago? I not the sharpest pencil in the box, but I think I could of put two and two together. " Hmmm, We bought unmarked rings from Kong for our cougar saddle, and then Kong had a had a recall of their unmarked Rings, I wonder?"
In their return e-mail they apologize and offered me a weaver T shirt and cap. Go figure. I know some ones covering up some mistake somewhere. This is life and death stuff. Shame on you Weaver. Beastmaster

 

[climberjones]

I sent an e-mail to weaver leather about the second recall on my cougar saddle. They claimed they responded as soon as the first sign of a faulty O ring was made aware to them.
They bought the rings from Kong of Italy. The whole Profession knew of the Kong recall of unmarked O rings months ago. How did that slip by them tell two weeks ago? I not the sharpest pencil in the box, but I think I could of put two and two together. " Hmmm, We bought unmarked rings from Kong for our cougar saddle, and then Kong had a had a recall of their unmarked Rings, I wonder?"
In their return e-mail they apologize and offered me a weaver T shirt and cap. Go figure. I know some ones covering up some mistake somewhere. This is life and death stuff. Shame on you Weaver. Beastmaster

Could those rings be on the sequia saddle as well????

 

[Nemus Talea]

I sent an e-mail to weaver leather about the second recall on my cougar saddle. They claimed they responded as soon as the first sign of a faulty O ring was made aware to them.
They bought the rings from Kong of Italy. The whole Profession knew of the Kong recall of unmarked O rings months ago. How did that slip by them tell two weeks ago? I not the sharpest pencil in the box, but I think I could of put two and two together. " Hmmm, We bought unmarked rings from Kong for our cougar saddle, and then Kong had a had a recall of their unmarked Rings, I wonder?"
In their return e-mail they apologize and offered me a weaver T shirt and cap. Go figure. I know some ones covering up some mistake somewhere. This is life and death stuff. Shame on you Weaver. Beastmaster

I said about the same thing when Pinnaclepete sent the flag up on this. Can't help but wonder how serious they are about making "safe" safety equipment.

"A t-shirt and cap? Really? You want me to advertise for a company that takes my hard earned money, sends me shoddy merchandise, wants me to perform the repair, has me become liable for the repair being performed correctly and is obviously indifferent to me spiraling to my death all along? Sure I'll take that shirt and cap. With a Sharpie I will let the world know what I think of your fine organization."

AS is hardly a secret society. Someone from Weaver should have come on this site to deliver the news of these recalls. Even now, a Weaver nuclear whipping boy on here would help show they are serious about making things right.

My Cougar wasn't effected by the recalls, but now every stitch is suspect and my quality Weaver bridge is backed up.

 

[treemandan]

I said about the same thing when Pinnaclepete sent the flag up on this. Can't help but wonder how serious they are about making "safe" safety equipment.

"A t-shirt and cap? Really? You want me to advertise for a company that takes my hard earned money, sends me shoddy merchandise, wants me to perform the repair, has me become liable for the repair being performed correctly and is obviously indifferent to me spiraling to my death all along? Sure I'll take that shirt and cap. With a Sharpie I will let the world know what I think of your fine organization."

AS is hardly a secret society. Someone from Weaver should have come on this site to deliver the news of these recalls. Even now, a Weaver nuclear whipping boy on here would help show they are serious about making things right.

My Cougar wasn't effected by the recalls, but now every stitch is suspect and my quality Weaver bridge is backed up.

More good points and nice ta meet ya.

 

[beastmaster]

My Boss called me and is going to buy me any saddle I want to replace the Cougar saddle I had. But I am a little leery of all brands right now. I'm leaning towards Petzl because of their reputation not only in tree saddles but Rock climbing, and rescue equipment.
Everyone out sources these day. follow the money and you'll probably find China. I know there has to be a bottom line, but if your in the life support buisness your quality control should be a first priority.
Maybe Mr. Weaver(if such a person excise)would like to hang from a rope a 100ft up over some hard surface in my Cougar to show me how confident he is in their product? I'm waiting. Beastmaster

 

[Nemus Talea]

More good points and nice ta meet ya.

Howdy Treemandan.

I've been learnin by listenin, using the search function and keepin my yap shut. This Weaver BS got me a little mouthy.

 

[treemandan]

My Boss called me and is going to buy me any saddle I want to replace the Cougar saddle I had. But I am a little leery of all brands right now. I'm leaning towards Petzl because of their reputation not only in tree saddles but Rock climbing, and rescue equipment.
Everyone out sources these day. follow the money and you'll probably find China. I know there has to be a bottom line, but if your in the life support buisness your quality control should be a first priority.
Maybe Mr. Weaver(if such a person excise)would like to hang from a rope a 100ft up over some hard surface in my Cougar to show me how confident he is in their product? I'm waiting. Beastmaster

Yeah, I put one of their old saddles on a log and tried to chop the bridge in half with an axe. It was no razor blade of an axe but I gave a good wallop and the axe said ouch. The saddle bridge barley showed sign of impact. I was trying to destroy the saddle because it was ripping and getting old then I met a guy who had an old Weaver, it looked like an old set of draws. Shredded, threadbare and pretty much rotten away, still worked fine! Well, maybe for him. It made mine look new though after the axing it took I did end up destroying it .But I still have an old Weaver for a spare.

 

[Nemus Talea]

My Boss called me and is going to buy me any saddle I want to replace the Cougar saddle I had. But I am a little leery of all brands right now. I'm leaning towards Petzl because of their reputation not only in tree saddles but Rock climbing, and rescue equipment.
Everyone out sources these day. follow the money and you'll probably find China. I know there has to be a bottom line, but if your in the life support buisness your quality control should be a first priority.
Maybe Mr. Weaver(if such a person excise)would like to hang from a rope a 100ft up over some hard surface in my Cougar to show me how confident he is in their product? I'm waiting. Beastmaster

If not a Mr Weaver then howbout the corporate officers, legal dept. minions, pr geniuses (hat and t-shirt, wow!) and quality control watchdogs at Weaver should take a dangle from your rig. CEO goes last.

They didn't care when their customers were suspended by them... disgusting.

 

[treemandan]

I am conversing with the lady I spoke with about the first recall and I did mention the moral of the crew with emphasis. But its going well and I am keeping it clean... I did tell her I wasn't gonna play no tounge in cheek type stuff... unless she returned the favor:msp_flapper:

 

[PinnaclePete]

These are the new aluminum rings supplied to Weaver for the Cougar saddle. You can see they are clearly marked with the rating (25kn), Manufacturer (ISC) and part no. 10AA. The unmarked rings were supplied by the bridge splicer, which they do not use anymore (duh?!?).

Weaver is a quality company that makes quality products. As soon as Weaver heard there was a potential problem, they initiated a recall - they are no Toyota. No falls and no injuries occured due to the bridges or rings affected by their recall. This may be because climbers are more aware of the importance of equipment inspection - due in large part to problems with other equipment in the past.

Inspect daily, repair or replace as needed.

 

[TreeWhitelock]

Just in case anyone hasn't read or heard there is some fake Petzl gear out there that look very similar with #s. VERY hard to tell the the difference so if you have any concerns call or email Petzl and they can help you verify the difference.

 

[Nemus Talea]

Just in case anyone hasn't read or heard there is some fake Petzl gear out there that look very similar with #s. VERY hard to tell the the difference so if you have any concerns call or email Petzl and they can help you verify the difference.

Didn't know, thanks.

 

[PinnaclePete]

http://www.arboristsite.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=172446&stc=1&d=1297807360

The above is a link to a PDF sent by Petzl to dealers last Friday PM. Since it is now public, I believe I can release it.

This should be a warning for anyone, buying anything from EB, CL or other non-traditional sellers - Buyer Beware!!! From what I understand in talking with my rep is that these have not been found in the States, but may be imported by others.

Stick with established dealers that buy directly from the manufacturer.

 

[treemandan]

http://www.arboristsite.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=172446&stc=1&d=1297807360

The above is a link to a PDF sent by Petzl to dealers last Friday PM. Since it is now public, I believe I can release it.

This should be a warning for anyone, buying anything from EB, CL or other non-traditional sellers - Buyer Beware!!! From what I understand in talking with my rep is that these have not been found in the States, but may be imported by others.

Stick with established dealers that buy directly from the manufacturer.

That PDF has my anti-virus software working overtime.:msp_crying: