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Noticed that there was not a section for utility guys/line clearing, figured I'd start one

About half the work i do is around lines(hydro contract) personally I dislike hydro work, find it boring that and you have to deal with all the upset people who's tree you just removed/pruned for hydro. Just curious on how many other / how often they eo hydro contracts or work?
 
Utility Tree workers! ahhhh.. I have noticed that they are not looked upon as good tree workers nor even good anything from most of the industry, that might be why there isnt much on topics on this forum on Utility guys. But I have to say that I am one of the few that was born into utility Tree Climbing on normal single phase to distribution to high tension 100 + KV lines. There's a level of precise precision needed so you dont DIE out there or kill someone else, there for making you understand a bit more than the average guy rigging over a roof or gutter for say. This experience has given me the expertise I think many dont have in the residential side of things. There are some out there that do it right and are very good. But that is not the average. I see all over the streets BAD tree pruing/hacking butchering everywere, and the utility lets it continue, they fill the trucks with anyone and go get your spans trimmed, lets go come on!!!! just get it done attitude. I felt like the lone wolf guy doing the production / training and Safety and quality as a balance mandatory for when I worked, but I dont see that breed exists anymore. I still do it! again there are a few, but I havent seen much of them. Dont settle for less, bring yourself and your crew home safe everyday no matter what it takes, forget the production if it risks your safety. Some guys will swear at you now but will thank you later! Godspeed. Richard R. Ferreira / Passion For Trees in CT:msp_sneaky:
 
I agree we do take alot of flak because we do residential and hydro, but we re the ones fixing the 20 years of damage the older tree company in town has done.(topped the #### out of everything/or simply didn t prune the lines) and its ridiculous how terrible the line and trees look, now since we picked up the contract pretty well every other day I have to work with trees that have been topped for the past 3 hydro cycles(4 years a cycle) they look like ####. Then hydro wants us to try and save as many as possible prune rather than remove them bit still get their 15 feet clearence. So this is why (in my case) some of the hydro tree's look a little and or very retarded.That being said alot of "utility arborist" don't give #### and just cut for clearences.
 
That's the way it's been for years!! Ive been at it 25 and it's gotten worse not better. I feel for ya, but remember you dont have to be what the average hydro / line clearance guy is, you can be more! it's unlimited. but if your being pushed for production pruning for clearance not appearance, I always did my best to achieve both at the same time.just about takes the same time to do it right as to do it wrong. I dont really have to worry about it anymore, I am self employed now for many years and staying small but doing well. just got to keep on going. I have this thing in my head that says, yeah no one will know if ya did it right or wrong your 100 feet up, but God knows and I know and that's enough for me! Godspeed! Work like you dont need the money! Love like youve never been hurt and Dance like no one is watching! Rich :msp_sneaky:
 
I'm a utility contract climber in Australia and i know what you mean by copping flack. But i take a lot of pride in my work trying to do the best thing for the tree whilst maintaining clearances. Like i was saying to a learner climber today "This side of tree work isn't like residential work. You may be able to get away with brushing a fence or roof but with anything from 11kv to 132kv you CANNOT come anywhere near them, so it forces you to go out that little bit further or cut a little bit smaller" IMHO anyone can take down a tree in big bits, but how small can you take it?
 
Well I have worked 440v up to 500kv now run my own gig. The reason is nepotism after reaching ticket crew foreman and danger tree expert, I would need to marry to advance. That's the big problem with utility work the advancement is given to relatives.
 
I agree with many of the comments above. The technical aspects of safely and precisely rigging difficult and hazard trees are learned best in the utility arboriculture side. Everything has to go PERFECT, or you could be in big trouble. However, aesthetics and tree health are often on the back burner. My utility has been TreeLine USA for 13 or so years, we stress right tree, right place; and we cut down undesireables instead of trimming them.
 
I really admire the Utility guys who truly take this serious and focus on quality pruning techniques. I just recently passed the Louisiana Utility Arborist Exam. I would really like to get into Right Of Way clearing work.
 
You guys are my heros! For real, tree climbers have gonads but you guys have 'em made of stone!!! I do residential work and that's a bit dangerous but add a ###ton of electrical current and I can see why a proper pruning cut goes out the window sometimes... I was on my way to a job this morning and passed a recently pruned tree near some wires and I was thinking wow, those are some ugly cuts. But, then I thought I wouldn't want to be cutting anywhere near those lines, so kudos to you guys, even the ones that make ugly and sloppy cuts. And big respect for you guys and gals that are also doing proper and aesthetically beautiful work. Keep it up! I don't think you deserve ANY flack from the rest of us...just sayin!
 
You guys are my heros! For real, tree climbers have gonads but you guys have 'em made of stone!!! I do residential work and that's a bit dangerous but add a ###ton of electrical current and I can see why a proper pruning cut goes out the window sometimes... I was on my way to a job this morning and passed a recently pruned tree near some wires and I was thinking wow, those are some ugly cuts. But, then I thought I wouldn't want to be cutting anywhere near those lines, so kudos to you guys, even the ones that make ugly and sloppy cuts. And big respect for you guys and gals that are also doing proper and aesthetically beautiful work. Keep it up! I don't think you deserve ANY flack from the rest of us...just sayin!

Stata Tree,
Honestly I think alot of the guys who cant seem to make quality work be a part of their day could possibly be from the training or lack of that they never had. Many guys work for a company for couple months then move on and say they have 2 years experience and that trend continues and they are foreman already getting in situations they are not even close to being ready for never mind over seeing a crew on top of that. People have to make a living and do what they can to advance and excel. I get it. but I dont have the respect of those who simply dont care and put others in danger and do crappy work, just to move down the road and look good for production. I have seen the utility industry get really bad and they are filling the trucks with anyone. If someone would just give them a shot and spend the time to train and show we would see so much better statistics with injuries / fatalities and quality work out there everywhere with all fields.. not just in the trees. For Gods sake you cant even go to Dunkin donuts and order and get what you ordered right???? New age generation sucks.... Sorry guys just venting I think... be safe all!!
 
Stata Tree,
Honestly I think alot of the guys who cant seem to make quality work be a part of their day could possibly be from the training or lack of that they never had. Many guys work for a company for couple months then move on and say they have 2 years experience and that trend continues and they are foreman already getting in situations they are not even close to being ready for never mind over seeing a crew on top of that. People have to make a living and do what they can to advance and excel. I get it. but I dont have the respect of those who simply dont care and put others in danger and do crappy work, just to move down the road and look good for production. I have seen the utility industry get really bad and they are filling the trucks with anyone. If someone would just give them a shot and spend the time to train and show we would see so much better statistics with injuries / fatalities and quality work out there everywhere with all fields.. not just in the trees. For Gods sake you cant even go to Dunkin donuts and order and get what you ordered right???? New age generation sucks.... Sorry guys just venting I think... be safe all!!

I seen it out there in Cali and I see it here all the time, and your spot on. As I said before, they are a necessary evil, a thankless job, the ROW work has to be done. I want my power on as much as the next guy and to someone on a ventilator at home, its life or death. But the manner in which it is done is what I have a problem with. I know that when they come to a new area, they are coached to prune the trees so severe that they don't have to do it again for several years, so when they come back to the same site, they don't have to do anything but prune a few epi's out and then sit in the truck all day. I have on film (security system), 3 trucks on my street for a whole day, one guy pruned out 1 oak (in summer). The rest parked on my street and slept all day, think that does not reflect in your power bill! Think again. Their training sucks, there is not much to know about power lines, you touch them, you die. Much more to know about tree pruning and removal. I get told story's all the time,but not sure how much is true, as some guys like to "glamorize" what really happens (donchya!), but even if part of its true, I am really surprised that we have not had any deaths locally. The main thing the foreman worry about is their tree count, if they don't get it, no matter the reason, they are in threat of loosing the position and being demoted. So they could care less about doing it right.....or safe, just as-long as they get their count. I see foremen send up newbs on advanced stuff all the time, not to teach them, to get out of doing it themselves. These kids can barley run a saw on the ground (seesawin) let alone in a tree. It is startling to watch. Then I hear about the accidents, either someone was hurt or something was tore up. Its non stop. We had a foreman here that has to weigh over 300lbs at 5ft tall, every time I seen him, he was on the ground, sending kids up. No way that dude climbs trees, they don't make saddles that big. Now he may not have been from this area, as I have not seen him in a while. Sometimes we will fill up with out-of-towners when the locals cant keep up. The point is, they preach no ethics, whether it be with the tree or the proper training of the young guys, they could care less, just get that count. Out in Cali, I ran a contract for ATT, I had a few guys on staff that where Line Clearance Certified. They did the same thing, until I came along, now the prune correctly and are proud that they now know how. My foreman told me that he had been there 12 years and had never been trained on site before, a 20 minute pen whipped tailgate was all they ever received. No one ever went out and showed them. The ROW manager in my area in Cali had 80 crews, we would talk all the time and he would tell me that they will fills those trucks with just about anyone they can get, they have a huge turnover and have to resort to hiring people who have never held a saw, by the end of the month, if they show promise, they could be leading a crew. As long as someone is on site that has the Cert, they are free to work. So that could mean a GF down the road. I have met many good guys in ROW, but they never stay in it. They go out on their own or just get out all together. With that being said, I also get it for those who stay and become "company men", guys have mouths to feed, bills to pay and they need a job. The utility is to blame, if they allowed the time to do it properly or paid the contractor enough to have the crews they need to stay on top of it and still provide good work, things would change. But we all know that will never happen. Get that count.
 
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I seen it out there in Cali and I see it here all the time, and your spot on. As I said before, they are a necessary evil, a thankless job, the ROW work has to be done. I want my power on as much as the next guy and to someone on a ventilator at home, its life or death. But the manner in which it is done is what I have a problem with. I know that when they come to a new area, they are coached to prune the trees so severe that they don't have to do it again for several years, so when they come back to the same site, they don't have to do anything but prune a few epi's out and then sit in the truck all day. I have on film (security system), 3 trucks on my street for a whole day, one guy pruned out 1 oak (in summer). The rest parked on my street and slept all day, think that does not reflect in your power bill! Think again. Their training sucks, there is not much to know about power lines, you touch them, you die. Much more to know about tree pruning and removal. I get told story's all the time,but not sure how much is true, as some guys like to "glamorize" what really happens (donchya!), but even if part of its true, I am really surprised that we have not had any deaths locally. The main thing the foreman worry about is their tree count, if they don't get it, no matter the reason, they are in threat of loosing the position and being demoted. So they could care less about doing it right.....or safe, just as-long as they get their count. I see foremen send up newbs on advanced stuff all the time, not to teach them, to get out of doing it themselves. These kids can barley run a saw on the ground (seesawin) let alone in a tree. It is startling to watch. Then I hear about the accidents, either someone was hurt or something was tore up. Its non stop. We had a foreman here that has to weigh over 300lbs at 5ft tall, every time I seen him, he was on the ground, sending kids up. No way that dude climbs trees, they don't make saddles that big. Now he may not have been from this area, as I have not seen him in a while. Sometimes we will fill up with out-of-towners when the locals cant keep up. The point is, they preach no ethics, whether it be with the tree or the proper training of the young guys, they could care less, just get that count. Out in Cali, I ran a contract for ATT, I had a few guys on staff that where Line Clearance Certified. They did the same thing, until I came along, now the prune correctly and are proud that they now know how. My foreman told me that he had been there 12 years and had never been trained on site before, a 20 minute pen whipped tailgate was all they ever received. No one ever went out and showed them. The ROW manager in my area in Cali had 80 crews, we would talk all the time and he would tell me that they will fills those trucks with just about anyone they can get, they have a huge turnover and have to resort to hiring people who have never held a saw, by the end of the month, if they show promise, they could be leading a crew. As long as someone is on site that has the Cert, they are free to work. So that could mean a GF down the road. I have met many good guys in ROW, but they never stay in it. They go out on their own or just get out all together. With that being said, I also get it for those who stay and become "company men", guys have mouths to feed, bills to pay and they need a job. The utility is to blame, if they allowed the time to do it properly or paid the contractor enough to have the crews they need to stay on top of it and still provide good work, things would change. But we all know that will never happen. Get that count.


Well I've seen your assessment but I worked so long in that industry with a few different managements. As far as the getting clearance side goes it must be cleared for min 5 year cycles 10 foot ground to sky does not look real pretty I agree. However, I always suggested removing them if it meant scalping and if they would remove trees to 15 feet the rest could be managed more esthetically also proper tree in the row can be utilized closer such as crape myrtle, red bud, even bradford pear. Management is the problem I have seen good managers and poor, its full of nepotism is why I gave it up. I did good work and some of the other guys did as well but your right many were slackers. I always trained fair days work for well, lol the pay sucked but I was raised to work so I did! My reason for staying so long is hard to explain but firstly I wanted to advance to manager to change the industry and second was the comrade syndrome ! Being foreman you get to know some of these kids that make it past 90 days and are eager to learn! I trained many of the ones that took it serious and they are foremen now. Anyway I started on a manual crew which I still believe is the best of the industry!
 
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