Video of 1/4 cut technique

[Kneejerk Bombas]

That was a good video. It was fun to watch. What are you doing, making a training video?

The thing about pines is they really wedge over nicely. Some trees lend themselves better to wedging than others. With hardwoods I'd prefer to use a rope.

One thing you might try is to let the wedge work a little longer, you were really smashing that thing in. The wedge moves in the kerf in a fraction of a second, it takes a moment or two for the top to move over. If you slow down a little, you'll have more movement and less work.

 

[Lumberjack]

...you'll have more movement and less work.

Sounds like mayhem to me!

 

[a_lopa]

an inch down the bottom's is a foot up the top.i just made that up! it could be true

 

[musher]

an inch down the bottom's is a foot up the top.i just made that up! it could be true

More like several feet, depending on the height of the tree and the depth of the felling cut.

 

[jamie]

i was taught something similar, gob it, start the backcut and stop halfway round the sweep, insert breaking bar (for trees that size) move up a bit and continue the backcut above the first one...

oh and most of my felling cuts are 2 foot lower than the ones you did. got a bad back?

jamie

 

[Tom D. Wilson]

i was taught that tecnique but know it as a split level cut, i prefer sicking a felling leaver in instead of a wedge particulary when working close to the ground, coz when the tree starts to go you can just help it onits way, no need to reach for your hammer to knock the wedges in more. But the way i was taught was to bore in behind the hinge when taking out the first 1/4, rather than cutting up to the hinge, this is to ensure that the hinge is nice a parrallel. i use to use it on trees bigger than my saw till i got the hang of a fan cut.

 

[jamie]

fan cut? excuse my ignorance to your fancy terms

jamie

 

[Ekka]

Well, thanks for all the feed back.

I'm not making a training video, just taking video's of what we get up to daily, and I tried explaining that cut in the past but I don't think some guys got it.

There's always plenty of ideas and differing techniques, I encourage any of you to get some video footage on what you do, the way you do it, it's fun and we can all perhaps learn something. It also "humanises" the avatars and names we have on line ... at the end of the day we are all here for a reason.

Imagine some-one showing a quick video on pulling a muffler apart, sharpening a chain or splicing a rope etc ... there's heaps to do when you think about it.

This 1/4 cut technique is a little gem, I knocked down those 23 pines in under 2 hours, with an 025, no ropes and knots and throw lines etc, fast as ... but they were a suitable species for the technique.

I've had my DV camera for about 3 years, never really thought about hooking it up to the PC. Bought a firewire card etc for $49.00 and a basic program came with it ... should have done it years ago.

Anyway, I'm sure there's more to come.

Thanks again for your feedback and have fun ...
...its not a job, its an adventure.

 

[Tom D. Wilson]

jamie, fan cut is just another term i was taught for the standered back cut when dealing with trees with a diameter 1 1/2 x and more than the length of your bar, also i'v heard it known as a sweep cut, and the one you do on the big uns, the quote technical terminology.

 

[jamie]

bore in and sweep round.... ok,

i dont really pay attention to the fancy names for all the cuts i know what works and use it

jamie

 

[Ekka]

Hey Jamie

I know what you're on about and it's a good method. I think Toms on about that technique where you do the back cut and drag the saw across the back of the tree and the nose of the bar sets the hinge up ...

... it works too but I like the bore technique when the trees over 1.25 bar length.

Hey, I might get some video of one today, we got to fell a palm and I'll do your bore technique.

 

[Ekka]

Oops bad luck, you'll have to wait till Satdy now, I just felled that palm into the pool with conventional back cut.

Gotta fell some gums on acreage on Satdy, hope I got a camera man.

 

[Billy_Bob]

With the first tree on the video, after you make the face cut and take the wedge of wood out, you say "What we do because we are working with pines...." [then I can't understand what you said because you started the saw]...

Then you make 2 small cuts on the sides below the face cut.

Why do you make these two small cuts? What is the reason for these cuts?

 

[ropensaddle]

I see, said the blind man. :Eye: It all makes sense now. I didn't realize that the trees were too skinny to fit the bar AND the wedge in. Now I get it.

I can't hear youuuu said the deaf man

 

[clearance]

3 year old thread.

I could have cut those trees down using a much simpler method. Also, one of the guys chipping brush looked like he had no eye protection, also, who really starts a saw like that?

Simple method-1-put in the backcut 2-insert bucking wedge 3-put in undercut (carefull not to cut off holding wood!) 4-hit wedge.

This method is in the Fallers Handbook, published by W.C.B. ( Worksafe B.C.). Its works great, used it many times. Why complicate things?

 

[TimberMcPherson]

Wow that was 3 years ago? The quarter cut method is popular in thin to waste operations here, we took down 80 or so pines a while back where we used this alot, using lines was a BIG waste of time as by the time we were done we were working in so much slash throwlines would get caught all the time, even in the tree. We did use pull lines but only when we REALLY had to. Took at least 10 times the time to do it with lines.
This method is safe, quick and only requires one guy to do it providing you understand its limits. You can get more trees down with less danger of getting hurt running ropes across the drop zone.

 

[toddstreeservic]

clearance-Thats how I start my saws? Whats wrong with it?

 

[TimberMcPherson]

Its how we start our saws to. Industry standard, safe and very practical

 

[Billy_Bob]

We're discussing felling small diameter trees over in logging and someone pointed me to this video/thread.

So I thought I would ask here about those two shallow side cuts below the face and back cuts... (I've never seen this done, so wondering what the reason is???)

 

[Scots Climber]

Good video, although there are better and much faster ways of doing that.