VT on a lanyard?

[pdqdl]

I have a climber that won't use a micro-scender on a lanyard because "he doesn't trust them". Consequently, he is slow. Other people on this site don't like the need to unload the lanyard to release the micro-scender.

I found this use of a VT on a lanyard, but I have not tried it. It looks interesting, but I was wondering if anyone else had experience with this application? It looks like it would overcome the objections posted above, at the sacrifice of some reliability.

http://www.mytreelessons.com/user/Chord Tending on Lanyard.jpg

I think I would want a really good stopper knot in the end of my lanyard before I was willing to use this!

 

[eljefe]

Re: VT on lanyard

Hi, The link you have..wow that looks really interesting. Looks as if you can take up or let out on either side of your D's. Many times I use my lanyard to bias myself to the left or right-make it pull me to the right or left and being able to take up or let out on either side would make that easier. How do you clip and unclip for moving around limbs, though?
pdqdl, what is your climber using since they don' t like the micro cender, I don't care for them either, but not from a safety issue, I just like a prussic better.
eljefe

 

[DK_stihl]

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I have a climber that won't use a micro-scender on a lanyard because "he doesn't trust them". Consequently, he is slow. Other people on this site don't like the need to unload the lanyard to release the micro-scender.

I found this use of a VT on a lanyard, but I have not tried it. It looks interesting, but I was wondering if anyone else had experience with this application? It looks like it would overcome the objections posted above, at the sacrifice of some reliability.

http://www.mytreelessons.com/user/Chord Tending on Lanyard.jpg

I think I would want a really good stopper knot in the end of my lanyard before I was willing to use this!

Though I personally do not use this system, it won't be long before I do. I'm getting sick of microscenders. All of the guys I work with (tree climbing champions) use this system. As long as you keep an eye on the prussik loop that you are using you will be fine. After all, how is it any different from a reliability standpoint than the prussik loop that you climb with?

 

[TreeTopKid]

Can't believe I've not seen that before I'm going to try it tomorrow. The knots so close it looks totally safe to me. Thanks.

 

[DK_stihl]

VT on a lanyard

I should add that the VT works best on a lanyard when equipped with a micro-pulley.

 

[TDunk]

It looks pretty cool i have to say. But what is the problem with the micro-scenders. I'll admit when i first used them i didn't fully trust them either, so i just tied a simple knot just behind the scender just incase the rope did slip threw. Never had a problem, just wondering why people don't like them.

 

[pdqdl]

It looks pretty cool i have to say. But what is the problem with the micro-scenders. I'll admit when i first used them i didn't fully trust them either, so i just tied a simple knot just behind the scender just incase the rope did slip threw. Never had a problem, just wondering why people don't like them.

I use the micro-scender, but it is annoying to unload it before you can let it out. I prefer the security of never slipping, and I'm not that fast in a tree anyway. I could speed myself up with a dozen cool techniques, and I would still be slow.

and getting older...


and getting fatter..

 

[D Mc]

pdqdl, I much prefer friction hitches for a lanyard adjuster over mechanicals. A couple of reasons are with a steel core flip line, the friction cord is a soft link that can be cut in an emergency. When I am using a lightweight lanyard, usually 20 - 25', I have the friction hitch setup exactly like my climbing line with a tending pulley and a carabiner at each end. This allows me to use it on the two side Ds as a flip line or safety lanyard, but also I can switch it and clip it to my bridge as a redirect. Makes for a tidy, lightweight setup.

I found I do not like the hitches tied directly to the D-ring. It kills versatility and also I have found that if the hitch is very close to your saddle, it can be released by body movement more readily than if it is a little bit away.

Dave

 

[senechal]

use it, love it.

 

[md_tree_dood]

Your climber doesn't trust a mechanical cam locking device and you think he's gonna trust the VT? If he does you should save his time and yours and get rid of him tomorrow. A safety lanyard shouldn't increase or decrease your speed it should just make things easier or more difficult for you in a tree. A carabiner, e2e, and micro pulley is more complicated than a twisted clevis and microscender, I don't see how its going to make him more comfortable.

As far as not releasing under load, why don't you people just go buy a grillion?

 

[Nailsbeats]

The ART Positioner will release under load too, I am thinking about trying one.

 

[TreeTopKid]

The ART Positioner will release under load too, I am thinking about trying one.

LOL! You're on a spending spree. It does look nice though! Let me know if you get one I like to 'keep up with the Jone's!'

 

[Nailsbeats]

LOL! You're on a spending spree. It does look nice though! Let me know if you get one I like to 'keep up with the Jone's!'

Your always right there TTK, that's what I like about you.

I don't know what it is, but I am becoming obsessed with these mechanical gizmos. I use a Gibbs and a Macrocender now and they don't bother me. I am secretely hoping that ART will sponsor me if I buy enough of their stuff.

 

[Adkpk]

I use a setup very similar to D Mc there, I like it, works well for me. Although seeing TreeCo's setup eliminating the pulley and the biner, looks like a good way to try the next time around. ( ya now after I am reincarnated)

 

[pdqdl]

Your climber doesn't trust a mechanical cam locking device and you think he's gonna trust the VT? If he does you should save his time and yours and get rid of him tomorrow. ...

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Not all employee problems are solved with a pink slip. Firing someone for ignorance just indicates that the employer wasn't worth working for either.

It's called education. Some people are self motivated to learn more, and they come to places like AS to learn from others. You probably consider yourself among that group. Other people, like my recently hired climber, are not so fortunate, and they need someone like me to help them along.

The fellows who can do everything for themselves already are.

 

[md_tree_dood]

I dig what your saying, my point was that he won't trust a piece of metal but you think he'll trust a finicky knot like the VT? I would question why anyone would trust the VT over a piece of metal, that's just ridiculous.

 

[046]

instead of a VT... using a distal on my lanyard

 

[Boa07]

I use a knot properly named autoblock, tenex with micro pulley on a fireline lanyard

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[outofmytree]

Not all employee problems are solved with a pink slip. Firing someone for ignorance just indicates that the employer wasn't worth working for either.

It's called education. Some people are self motivated to learn more, and they come places like AS to learn from others. You probably consider yourself among that group. Other people, like my recently hired climber, are not so fortunate, and they need someone like me to help them along.

The fellows who can do everything for themselves already are.

:agree2:

Nicely said. It is all too easy to assume that everyone learns the same way at the same speed. Frankly looking at the different pictures of lanyards does my head in. Show me the same set up irl and I get it straight away. Different strokes and all that jazz.

 

[pdqdl]

I took him out to the warehouse yesterday and hung him from a pole. We played with the micro-scender. No problem.

Trust issue overcome.