VT on a lanyard?

[046]

here's a pic of a distal on lanyard. grabs either direction for DEDA, attached directly to D ring. eliminates need for micro-pulley and biner. If I was not using DEDA, distal would be terminated with a biner.

if equal function can be achieved, then simplest system wins with me. would much rather trust a knot that I tied vs a piece(s) of hardware. your mileage may veri....

 

[TreeTopKid]

Your always right there TTK, that's what I like about you.

I don't know what it is, but I am becoming obsessed with these mechanical gizmos. I use a Gibbs and a Macrocender now and they don't bother me. I am secretely hoping that ART will sponsor me if I buy enough of their stuff.

Guess what? I'm exactly the same at the moment. I was furious (although she was doing the right thing!) when my missus paid the sales tax using all the money I'd set aside(and then some!)for my 200ft of velocity, and the Spiderjack. If only you knew how much time I spend day dreaming about that gizmo (usually when I'm hauling my heavy old ass up a tree). ART may well sponsor you LOL they owe us something for drumming up so much interest in that post. You'd think that we worked for them (especially WLL).

 

[(WLL)]

The ART Positioner will release under load too, I am thinking about trying one.

 

[(WLL)]

Guess what? I'm exactly the same at the moment. I was furious (although she was doing the right thing!) when my missus paid the sales tax using all the money I'd set aside(and then some!)for my 200ft of velocity, and the Spiderjack. If only you knew how much time I spend day dreaming about that gizmo (usually when I'm hauling my heavy old ass up a tree). ART may well sponsor you LOL they owe us something for drumming up so much interest in that post. You'd think that we worked for them (especially WLL).

 

[Mike Cantolina]

I prefer the Knut hitch on my lanyard. It's shorter than a VT and still releases ok.

 

[(WLL)]

im still on the 3 strand pretzel :hmm3grin2orange:

 

[pdqdl]

I use a knot properly named autoblock, tenex with micro pulley on a fireline lanyard

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I suspect that you need to do a little more research. From a very informative article:

"The word “autoblock” has been used in some English-language knot books to refer specifically to the French Prusik, but this terminology is incorrect. “Autoblock” is a corruption of the French “autobloquant,” which means “self jamming.” It is used to refer to a group of slide-and-grip knots and is probably better translated into the English term “friction hitch.”

The french prussik is also better known (loosely) around here as the VT. I'm not really an expert, so if you disagree, take it up with the author. I tried to upload the article, but it wouldn't do it. Read the whole article:

http://www.#############/pdf/0505_geneology.pdf

[ArboristSite seems to have this url blocked in some way: add (http://ww) to (w.tree) and finish with (buzz.com/pdf/0505_geneology.pdf)]

 

[Boa07]

Hmmm...you could be right only about a year ago had some communication with Dr Gary Storrick about this very knot there is confusion about it however autoblock is (apparently) the correct name..till that point I had been calling it French prussik or lazyman VT.

 

[(WLL)]

http://www.#############/pdf/0505_geneology.pdf

[ArboristSite seems to have this url blocked in some way: add (http://ww) to (w.tree) and finish with (buzz.com/pdf/0505_geneology.pdf)]

this is one thing i cannot stand about this placemost of the other tree sites do not act like this!!! IMO its greedy and selfish!!!!! i think the motive is money and marketing. the isa is very similar in the way they try to sell themselves. they dont care to share, instead they charge. the isa uses info from other researchers, sells it us than we put the info to use threw tree care. its a big business with thousands of members other countries are way ahead of USA. just a few short years ago other important countries decided to share there knowledge with America. the isa has a huge part in that and does many wonderful things for us. i am not dissing the isa i just wish they would make some changes for the benefit of our industry, workers and our world. america needs a change!!!:

:arg:

 

[BC WetCoast]

I dig what your saying, my point was that he won't trust a piece of metal but you think he'll trust a finicky knot like the VT? I would question why anyone would trust the VT over a piece of metal, that's just ridiculous.

I know of one large company that won't allow mechanical devices on a lanyard (company safety policy), same as they won't allow mechanical asenders without a friction hitch backup.

Could be that's the way the climber was taught (indoctrinated) and has difficulty changing.

 

[outofmytree]

I took him out to the warehouse yesterday and hung him from a pole. We played with the micro-scender. No problem.

Trust issue overcome.

Exactly what I would have done. How much money is that short indoor session going to make you as his speed increases in the tree. Great management.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

I've been using the VT tied right to the D on my lanyard for years. Much better than a micro ascender, IMO. I have both.

Same here. I love it, fast and effective.

 

[pdqdl]

Exactly what I would have done. How much money is that short indoor session going to make you as his speed increases in the tree. Great management.

Didn't cost a dime. We did it off the clock, after work. Make? Who knows.

He didn't seem to mind my encroachment on his time, and I wouldn't have cared too much if he did. I guess I'm a tyrant.

But really, he is being paid a pretty good wage, and my deal with him includes him learning from me to improve his skills.

 

[046]

it's simple...don't like it... leave! it's still a private forum and cost $zero to join and post. despite what everyone thinks, it costs $$ to keep the lights on. bandwidth is not free.

in fact ... if there was a paypal donation button... I'd gladly send $20 each year for upkeep.

IMHO AS, warts and all is one of the least moderated sites on the WWW. must be doing something right... AS is the highest traffic chainsaw related site on the WWW.

this is one thing i cannot stand about this placemost of the other tree sites do not act like this!!! IMO its greedy and selfish!!!!! i think the motive is money and marketing. the isa is very similar in the way they try to sell themselves. they dont care to share, instead they charge. the isa uses info from other researchers, sells it us than we put the info to use threw tree care. its a big business with thousands of members other countries are way ahead of USA. just a few short years ago other important countries decided to share there knowledge with America. the isa has a huge part in that and does many wonderful things for us. i am not dissing the isa i just wish they would make some changes for the benefit of our industry, workers and our world. america needs a change!!!:

:arg:

 

[(WLL)]

it's simple...don't like it... leave! it's still a private forum and cost $zero to join and post. despite what everyone thinks, it costs $$ to keep the lights on. bandwidth is not free.

in fact ... if there was a paypal donation button... I'd gladly send $20 each year for upkeep.

IMHO AS, warts and all is one of the least moderated sites on the WWW. must be doing something right... AS is the highest traffic chainsaw related site on the WWW.

:agree2: and i would gladly donate to the site just like many would. a/s makes money in other ways!! why wont they let you post links from other places? its only to help others. most users are not here to sell and make a profit.
the best tree spots on the net:
www.arboristsite.com
www.#########.com
www.#############

 

[046]

don't get me wrong... blocking other sites is a PITA!
but that's the way AS has decided to do so.... I'm not going to question policies in public.

on most other forums I frequent, questioning policies will get you banned. questioning moderators in public is the fastest way to get banned. but NO one minds getting questioned in private.

again... AS is soooo lax in moderation compared to other sites. it's as close to non-moderated of ANY major forum that I'm aware of.

AS moderators need an extra thick skin... as they are liable to get slammed like anyone else. don't of many places that allows that.

:agree2: and i would gladly donate to the site just like many would. a/s makes money in other ways!! why wont they let you post links from other places? its only to help others. most users are not here to sell and make a profit.
the best tree spots on the net:
www.arboristsite.com
www.#########.com
www.#############

 

[pdqdl]

This blocking of other sites issue? You can bet the owner of this site didn't write the software that runs it. So the feature is already set up to do the blocking, they just turn it on or off. I doubt if they would bother blocking other sites if it wasn't pretty easy, and there may be some good reasons for doing it that we are not aware of.

After all, we're just madmen with chainsaws, right?

 

[Adkpk]

After all, we're just madmen with chainsaws, right?

What he said. :agree2:

I came on this site in the first place mostly for the shenanigans going on here. On the other hand as hard as it is for me to find friends because of my shenanigan ways I do draw a the line especially in public. So that said, when the mods lay down the law I just go with the flow agreeing to it or not. We got a good thing. It's not hard at all to go alone with the rules here. :rant: