Well my other thread just turned into a argument , my problem is !!

[jasonftccrane]

The main thing I wanna ask or find out is how to operate legal and safe if their is such ways in the tree industry with the crane . Reasently I'm hearing of new laws suppost to make things even more complicated for a hard working man in this slow economy . I grew up in my fathers business , been driving and operating equipment since I was a kid , well now days I'm the operator of our 30 ton crane and have been for more then 5 years , coming from being the climber and knowing the complete industrie I defienlty know how cranes are very valuable for a tree company willing to use them to their capabilitys without going overboard with them . But it sounds like things are changing and laws are getting more of a pain if your doing something so called wrong by some safety people that have more then likely never been in the tree industry. I don't wanna break any laws or get anyone Hurt but I also know what is safer and more productive way to get things done then they so call allow, but on the other is I don't want to be breaking any laws to risk fines or penilitys . Im just not sure what's worth it anymore, It doesn't make since why people don't own control of their own safty and well being. I'm no expert on the laws at all , but from some stuff I'm learning it's just frustrating , maybe I'm misunderstood on things

 

[oldirty]

you wont be getting osha or ansi approval anytime soon for the climber riding the ball. ever.

is that what you looking for?

but if you read the tcia magazine article that was so kindly provided for you in the last thread you would read that it is the climber or supervisor's call regarding what is safest. keep on doing it safely and providing all the safety equipment for the employees and osha wont have a reason to stop by. someone not wearing a helmet or chaps? i hope they hang around your job site.

 

[mattfr12]

you wont be getting osha or ansi approval anytime soon for the climber riding the ball. ever.

is that what you looking for?

but if you read the tcia magazine article that was so kindly provided for you in the last thread you would read that it is the climber or supervisor's call regarding what is safest. keep on doing it safely and providing all the safety equipment for the employees and osha wont have a reason to stop by. someone not wearing a helmet or chaps? i hope they hang around your job site.

listen to what he just said and anything posted after his post doesn't matter. not saying anyone else's opinion doesn't matter. but thats just pretty much how it is and its gonna be. OSHA only shows up around here when someone gets hurt then if you where doing something out of line you'll get fined or worse. theirs a lot of grey area in what your asking. Its basically you using your best judgment on the situation at hand.

A crane is an engineered, rated, predictable support structure. The tree is not.
Several people die each year when the tree they are in fails. Nobody has ever been killed through the practice of being hoisted. - this statistic of no one ever being killed from being hosted came straight off the TCIA's website.

 

[treeclimber101]

listen to what he just said and anything posted after his post doesn't matter. not saying anyone else's opinion doesn't matter. but thats just pretty much how it is and its gonna be. OSHA only shows up around here when someone gets hurt then if you where doing something out of line you'll get fined or worse. theirs a lot of grey area in what your asking. Its basically you using your best judgment on the situation at hand.

A crane is an engineered, rated, predictable support structure. The tree is not.
Several people die each year when the tree they are in fails. Nobody has ever been killed through the practice of being hoisted. - this statistic of no one ever being killed from being hosted came straight off the TCIA's website.

Sorry Matt But thats alot of BS , there OSHA doesn't recognize tying into the crane period , maybe they have allowed it in certain circumstances as the only option accepting it to be the safest , non safe way ...

 

[mattfr12]

Sorry Matt But thats alot of BS , there OSHA doesn't recognize tying into the crane period , maybe they have allowed it in certain circumstances as the only option accepting it to be the safest , non safe way ...

thats why those facts are not from oshia the TCIA so its not a lot of BS sorry. Thats why those facts are not from OSHA the TCIA so its not a lot of BS sorry. Theirs the tree services magazine article on it again for anyone that missed it after that i gotta quite posting on this topic it.

 

[mattfr12]

Next!!
the magazine article will tell you how to do it in like the first 3 sentences after that someone else is gonna have to take over the good fight I'm getting a headache.
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[treeclimber101]

Next!!
the magazine article will tell you how to do it in like the first 3 sentences after that someone else is gonna have to take over the good fight I'm getting a headache.
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osha does not recognize the TCIA and that's that, if someone complained and invited OSHA out to your job you could be fined riding your crane to the tree , sorry I said its BS and I am not saying that you haven't done the homework but this issue is so grey anymore there are no real facts other than the fact OSHA does not permit riding the load line in any way shape or form period ...and when paople say osha saw me do it well that's one of two things lack of a safer option or plain stupidity .

 

[mattfr12]

osha does not recognize the TCIA and that's that, if someone complained and invited OSHA out to your job you could be fined riding your crane to the tree , sorry I said its BS and I am not saying that you haven't done the homework but this issue is so grey anymore there are no real facts other than the fact OSHA does not permit riding the load line in any way shape or form period ...and when paople say osha saw me do it well that's one of two things lack of a safer option or plain stupidity .

exactly its a grey area thats what i was saying after OD's post. you could or could not get fined theirs to many circumstances. depends on hew shows up and what your doing. their are ANSI standards for it but OSHA can't approve it theirs liability for them involved. that would be my guess is to why they don't.

so to answer the original posters question you should fallow the standards for doing it if your going to do it. but if OSHA man arrives you may or may not get fined. I've never had a problem or seen or heard of anyone having a problem but I'm sure it has happened.

if your cutting down a dead or rotten tree I'm pretty sure their gonna leave you alone.