What has 50 years given us? ( In saw design )

[Dean-O]

I think the best advancement is anti vibe. Running some of the old vintage saws is pretty rough on the hands (and bones) compared to today’s

 

[Skeans]

Here’s one if you have guys running saws is captured bar nuts it can save you money in the long haul.


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[Bob Hedgecutter]

Side chain tensioners.

 

[Bob Hedgecutter]

How about huge advances in mass production of fair quality low priced consumer saws?
Perfect for the 'toss away" society and it keeps a lot of muppets away from the real saws.

 

[holeycow]

Not all paint jobs are created equal, that's for sure.

I find modern Stihl paint to be vastly superior to modern Dolmar paint, for example.

what has good paint in a vintage saw?

 

[RED-85-Z51]

Not all paint jobs are created equal, that's for sure.

I find modern Stihl paint to be vastly superior to modern Dolmar paint, for example.

what has good paint in a vintage saw?

None of them...Homelite, mac, stihl, husky...all peeled. Homelite wasnt terrible

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[KASH]

I would still like to see the results of an anti vibration test on the seventies and eighties saws verse new saws.I ran many many old saws with no anti vibration systems and have the white fingers to prove it.Maybe my hands dont feel well but I dont see how the anti vibe of the 266 p70
630 etc could get any better I notice next to zero vibration.
Kash

 

[holeycow]

any modern pro stihl, husky, or dolmar is better...no tingles, none.

 

[sean donato]

I have saws ranging from the 70 to close to present. The lancaster 60, is painful to run. Makes your hands numb after about 10 minutes, the mac 10-10a is a little better, t my mac pm605 is better, but still have a bad case of the tingles about an hour in or so. My 031, and my 026 stihls had decent av. Both 70s era saws, and both superior to my mac's. I have a few other odd balls, but all in smaller cc, that dont really bother you to run, but also dont have the power that the more modern saws have either. Then I jump up to my 394xp, good av, and power. My 390xp is a 14 model (i think) and largely has the same feel as my 394xp, just lighter and more nimble. The same could also be said about my 359 husqy. Decent av, nice power to weight, handles well. My 562xp has to be about the smoothest running saw I've ever run. Great to use, excellent av, very good on fuel, compared to all my other 60cc class saws. Would have to sneak the bathroom scale to get weights on them, but I'll say for sure the 60cc mac's weigh a whole lot more then any of my other 60cc saws. FWIW I think husqy and stihl had the rest of them by the nutters back in the 80s as far as ergonomics and power to weight. Stihls av wasnt great, but was better then the same time period mac's I have, air filtration deffinatly wasnt their (stihls) strong point until recently. Jmo of course.

 

[Woodslasher]

I've run a 2101 a fair bit in the past two days and I like it just as much as a new 395, but a non-av Homelite 1020 is a big heck no, so a/v is high on my list. My 562 with a 24 is a blast to run, but my 272 with a 24 was even more fun. I'd say 2-series Huskies are as old as I'd go for a daily runner from Husqvarna. For Stihl, I don't want to carry an 045 around instead of a 288, despite them having good a/v systems, so 90's and up for non-048's is my limit. Chainbrakes, a/v, inboard clutches, side tensioners, and flippy caps are the big things I can think of, but inboard clutches are more of a convenience than an improvement. Chainbrakes are nice when I'm climbing on a brush pile and want to make sure a small branch won't gun the saw, flippy caps never strip out the face and can't be over-tightened, and side tensioners are way easier to reach with a scrench.

 

[Jethro 2t sniffer]

Not all paint jobs are created equal, that's for sure.

I find modern Stihl paint to be vastly superior to modern Dolmar paint, for example.

what has good paint in a vintage saw?

The pm and on mcculloch is pretty durable like it will chip with a good metal wack but it doesn't wear and peel. The old Mac's say a 7-10 vs 700 often the paint doesn't chip the same but it will wear away. A good way to gauge the hours on the saw is the hand mark on the handle. The 78 79 ish onwards pm saws don't seem to do it. Not sure about the older Mac's or other brand's.

To me they look cool all battle scared up and rat rod like. The noise drowns out the modern saws around you lol its quite funny to see them stop and watch. My 4000 with a nice chain on a 20 inch beat my mates 576 with his chain. He was hurt too of course we all know its chain but he was still hurt lol.


The 4000s paint is good as too

The AV on those counter vibes is very nice they are a porky saw though

 

[Jethro 2t sniffer]

I have saws ranging from the 70 to close to present. The lancaster 60, is painful to run. Makes your hands numb after about 10 minutes, the mac 10-10a is a little better, t my mac pm605 is better, but still have a bad case of the tingles about an hour in or so. My 031, and my 026 stihls had decent av. Both 70s era saws, and both superior to my mac's. I have a few other odd balls, but all in smaller cc, that dont really bother you to run, but also dont have the power that the more modern saws have either. Then I jump up to my 394xp, good av, and power. My 390xp is a 14 model (i think) and largely has the same feel as my 394xp, just lighter and more nimble. The same could also be said about my 359 husqy. Decent av, nice power to weight, handles well. My 562xp has to be about the smoothest running saw I've ever run. Great to use, excellent av, very good on fuel, compared to all my other 60cc class saws. Would have to sneak the bathroom scale to get weights on them, but I'll say for sure the 60cc mac's weigh a whole lot more then any of my other 60cc saws. FWIW I think husqy and stihl had the rest of them by the nutters back in the 80s as far as ergonomics and power to weight. Stihls av wasnt great, but was better then the same time period mac's I have, air filtration deffinatly wasnt their (stihls) strong point until recently. Jmo of course.

Have you got any AV 10 series Mac's? I'd like to know how they compare to A 2 series husky.

 

[Jethro 2t sniffer]

Sp81 with a 20 inch.

I tried over n over n over and me 83 n me with saw 92.4 92.6 soo a bit if vary but always around that mark. Call it 9.5 kg 21lbs

1975. The sp80 1971 before it was lighter with no brake. They got porky in 77 when black n decker (owner) cheaponed up the metal. Many many people say the 82s cut with a 181/281 husky. By then the sp Mac's were gone

Whats a 181 weigh??

 

[Maintenance supervisor]

As far as AV being the biggest advance in saws the MS441 is probably the smoothest saw I have ever run, and yet the sales were terrible! Stihl discontinued the saw.
The McCulloch 7-10 will eat a 576 any day of the week and it's Mag. body makes it lighter .
I like most models of saws and I am excited to see FI finally come to the market really sets the bar at a different level.
If you read through some threads like "best,fastest, or powerful, saw " I noticed that the description is often accompanied by the words "Ported by..." , muffler mod... and new. These combinations of words can often make someone feel awfully bad when its not the greatest saw ever.

 

[Huskybill]

Not much has changed in the bigger cc husky saws, maybe compression release.
I was in the firewood business running two 2100 huskys and a 240sg. I added a 266 se soon after.
I ran 38:1 mix. Never a problem for decades. Clean the airfilter everynight, lube the clutch, clean the clutch cover grease the clutch, bar nose often. Service them and they will serve you well.

I don’t care for the 50:1 mix ratio today, lots of spun crank bearings in the case?

So what has changed guys who run chainsaws 24/7 probably nothing the pros like bigger saws like 372 Xp and up. The home owners want lighter saws. Give me a 2100 with a 18” bar with 404” chisel chain and I’ll tear the woods up.

 

[pioneerguy600]

Want to feel vibration, no AV here folks,

 

[sean donato]

Have you got any AV 10 series Mac's? I'd like to know how they compare to A 2 series husky.

Only 10 series I have is the 10-10A.

 

[cheeves]

Old saws had a button on the handle that could be used to hold the throttle partly open. Obvious, and everyone understood it, now we have a do-everything control lever and few people know how to get a fast idle.
Let's not forget how reliable the old points ignition was, no need to comment on the reliability of our new electronic ignition modules. Of course you don't have to pull the FW and adjust points anymore, not like that was something you had to do every year, unlike the cars of the era.

OLD SAWS YOUD CHANGE THE PTS EVERY FALL AND THEYD RUN ALL YEAR WITH NO PROBLEMS ESPECIALLY IF YOU KEPT THEM CLEAN. LEADED GAS HELPED A LOT.
162 HUSKY REVOLUTIONIZED THE CHAIN SAW. MARVELOUS LEAP FORWARD.

 

[Cantdog]

Here ya go......77ccs of awesomeness !!! Loud AND very SLOW.....as if it wasn't slow enough.....let's gear it down some ..... and if it's not loud enough let's direct the exhaust outlet right at the operators face!!! Notice I didn't say "Muffler".....Those old saws were great weren't they?
This one has the uncommon ability to mount the bar and clutch on either side of the gear drive.....inboard gave you unparalleled handling for limbing and outboard for cutting close to the ground.....crazy advanced stuff!! LOL!!

 

[Redgap]

Plastic replacing aluminum and magnesium. I’d still prefer metal choke levers and throttle triggers. And manual oilers.