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While still learning the craft, I would like to know what friction hitch knots some of you use in spacific applications. I'm a fan of the tautline while limb walking because it doesn't move till I want it to move. I was using it for everything but am now looking at the VT (valdotain tresse), as my primary climbing line to get me up to my working hight only. I know some friction knots require micro pully to break the hitch but I prefer no to use thoes types of hitches. My view is less is best. Any comments or sugestions would be great. Thankyou in advance for your help.
 
perhaps you should try one of "those types of hitches" before you decide that you prefer not to use it.
most of the best climbers in the world climb with the vt for good reason.
 
It isn't about requiring a micropulley to 'break' the hitch-the micropulley makes tending slack SOOOOOOO much easier. I suppose that you could throw a pulley under your Tautline and get some benefit. The V'T has lots of great attributes but it is a little more "tuning" sensitive than other hitches. I would suggest a Distel. I have actually returned to a 4/1 Distel as a preference over the V.T. It is more compact and behaves very well for me.
 
oh another point with regards to less is best.......you'll probably fine a vt ties with 8mm line and a micro pulley is still less bulky than a big old tautline or blakes with the usual 12mm line its generally tied with.
 
Thanks for the replies, as mentioned , I'm always trying to learn. Re: stephenbullman's comments...I always go to the local gym to the rock wall area to try out any new technique well before I use it on a tree job. As my handle indictes, this is a hobby and I have all the time in the world to practice and perfect what I learn. Its just unfortunat that in the area I live most of the tree companies seem to be hacks that depend on luck more that proper technique. The few companies I regard as trained professionals are unwilling to educate anyone except thier own employees. Learning to tie a knot isn't the problem...its knowing how to use any given knot/hitch to it fullest potential that is. I WILL NOT take on any work that I know is beyond my (limited) skill or equipment ability. I send the more technical or dangerous jobs to other companies. I'm just looking to become more efficient at what I do ... but for now, I'll stick to the basice till someone much more experienced that I can "Show me the way". Thanks again to AS.com and its members.
 
The continuous 4 coils of the Blake is more consistent with non-TaughtLine, non -standard 4/6 coil prusiks.

The Blakes, though only running 1 leg of support to saddle, also pulls from both ends of the cord as the 'newer' friction hitches. The leg that doesn't go to saddle is trapped under the first round turn like an anchor or barrel (simply an anchor around self to form eye)hitch. The loaded leg sits across the trapped leg, pulling the trapped leg from the top of the coil stack as the loaded leg pulls from the bottom of the coil stack at the same time. Thus, even though only 1 leg of attatchment as far as strength, similar in function/design i think.

So blake's is better i think than Tautline, as it more closely mimics the 'better' hitches; even though, your eye might say not at first!

Schwab, Distel, Knut, VT, Klem, Heden, Icicle etc. all have a continuous 4 coli/double round turn unbroken, then kept from setting too tight by a preceding bite on line to limit loading to the hitch, to keep it in it's usable loading range of slide/catch/not bind correctly. Blakes is similar (except the others use both legs to support saddle); pulling from both ends, and doesn't let the fiercest part of gripping coil bite. But not by preceding it with a a previous half hitch etc. to bite, reducing load to 4 coil wrap, but jsut not letting the bottom coils seat. The top coils will only have 1/2 pull(but faster) on them from trapped leg being pulled by support leg, the other half of the pull borne on the trapped end.

Or, something like that,
:alien:
 
I startd on the Blakes Hitch. I have since tried the Swaybisch, Distel, VT and now the Knut.

Each hitch seemed better than the previous hitch in the order above.

The Knut works every bit as well as the VT without the dressing worries.

Until I see a hitch that is better (and most likely some variation of the VT/Knut style will come out ) I am staying with the Knut!!!
 
Originally posted by hobby climber
While still learning the craft, I would like to know what friction hitch knots some of you use in spacific applications. I'm a fan of the tautline while limb walking because it doesn't move till I want it to move. I was using it for everything but am now looking at the VT (valdotain tresse), as my primary climbing line to get me up to my working hight only. I know some friction knots require micro pully to break the hitch but I prefer no to use thoes types of hitches. My view is less is best. Any comments or sugestions would be great. Thankyou in advance for your help.

just use a basic english prussic in 8 or 9 m/m
 
Blakes Hitch for me all the way, I used a taughtline for a while but had trouble with it tightening and loosening, haven't had any more trouble since I changed to blakes.
 
...Thanks for all the great info everyone, but to be more spacific, I would like to know if you use just one spacific friction knot for all types of climbing ie)-assending, limb walking etc., OR do you use the best hitch for a spacific job! If so pls explain why and the application you would use that hitch. ps- Aussie_lopa, I'm not that new to this climbing thing with 6 years no risk ground take downs and last two freelance climbing and light rigging. I'm being humble so as not to get blasted as many before me have. I'm at the point now that the more I leard, the more I realize I don't know! This attitude keeps me comming home each night to my wife & kids. I'm just looking for greater knowledge to take up the tree with me and thanks to this site and members on it, Im learning.
 
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See "An Overview of Climbing Hitches" in the October issue of Arborist News magazine. The article is not task specific, as you ask, but it does give a description (and photos) of seven or eight hitches and discusses some of the nomenclature and variables of climbing systems.

Mahk
 
Does anyone use MORE THAN ONE friction knot while doing work in a tree??? ie)- for positioning, anchoring, assending, limb walking, redirecting etc. ect. eyc. ??? I don't mean to be rude but this is what my question askes. sorry for the confusion.:blob2:
 
Re: above...

Each purpose. How about with two climbing lines on a re-direct...prusik, taut. blake, vt, ...each one seems to have it own advantage for a given task, some are better for a variety of taskes. Do you use just one form of friction hitch or do you use a couple during a tree job?
 
Thats the kinda thing I'm looking for. Thank you!!! A quick way up and a simple way out. Now do other climbers out there do the same kinda thing??? Speed, safety & simplicity!!! :D
 
i have a vt on my main line, and a vt onmy flipline.
used to have a distel on the flipline but decided it was no-where up to the standards of the vt.....however i sometimes find with the overall length of the vt on my flipline i cant always get close enough in on small limbs....for this reason next thing im going to try is a knut on my flipline.
the vt's staying on my lifeline though
if im descending single rope off a spar i'll use a fig8 backed up with a klemheist.
klemheist is also a good knot for footlocking if you're into that.
hmmmm thats about all the friction hitches i ever find i need.
 
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