What makes a GOOD groundman?
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Ax-man
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Hey Butch how about this one for your list.
Be able to set up and tension a speed line on the ground, and know how to use it. Little advanced for most ground men, but a good one should be able to set one up on the ground end if they have some of the skills already mentioned.
Variations to this would be a 2:1 MA system to help pull a big lead over, that one man would have a little trouble with.
Another would be to be able to set up a two way speed line with a retrievable pulley set up.
Another would be how to best set up the floating crotch, again using two or three ropes and a pulley.
In addition to what MM, Husky, Netree and others have said. I think what it boils down to on an individual basis, weather they climb or work the ground, one has to have a love and a passion for this work, because otherwise you just won't excel at it, no matter what kind of money your getting paid to do it.
Larry
Be able to set up and tension a speed line on the ground, and know how to use it. Little advanced for most ground men, but a good one should be able to set one up on the ground end if they have some of the skills already mentioned.
Variations to this would be a 2:1 MA system to help pull a big lead over, that one man would have a little trouble with.
Another would be to be able to set up a two way speed line with a retrievable pulley set up.
Another would be how to best set up the floating crotch, again using two or three ropes and a pulley.
In addition to what MM, Husky, Netree and others have said. I think what it boils down to on an individual basis, weather they climb or work the ground, one has to have a love and a passion for this work, because otherwise you just won't excel at it, no matter what kind of money your getting paid to do it.
Larry
MasterBlaster
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Axeman, 28
Tommy D just turned me on to the idea of submitting this to TCI. That sounds like an excellent idea. I'll be freaking famous! I can retire and just write...
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Axeman, 28
Tommy D just turned me on to the idea of submitting this to TCI. That sounds like an excellent idea. I'll be freaking famous! I can retire and just write...
Please! Keep em coming! This is yur beeotch thread!
And my retirement plan...
Ax-man
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Butch,
I wouldn't hang up your climbing line just yet.
The old NAA , had an actual book out on this very same topic.
I don't exactly remember what it was called, maybe some one else remembers this one??????. I gave my copy to some guy to read and of course it never found it's way back to me.
Go ahead and write on, we could use a nice refresher on this subject.
Larry
I wouldn't hang up your climbing line just yet.
The old NAA , had an actual book out on this very same topic.
I don't exactly remember what it was called, maybe some one else remembers this one??????. I gave my copy to some guy to read and of course it never found it's way back to me.
Go ahead and write on, we could use a nice refresher on this subject.
Larry
MasterBlaster
TreeHouse Elder
Yea, thats cool... but this will probably be a 'lil different!
Don't forget to go back and re-check my 2nd post. I edit it as this thread progresses.
Please feel free to point out sp errors...
Don't forget to go back and re-check my 2nd post. I edit it as this thread progresses.
Please feel free to point out sp errors...
Husky372
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looks like by your list there masterblaster you want someone with 5 years+ experince. good luck
John Paul Sanborn
Above average climber
So actually you're ranting about nothing. Because sobody here said anything about paying minimum.
Heck, over here you cannot get someone to answer an add for under 12/hr.
One of my buddys was advertising last year and people would not interview for less then 15+ bennies. That is people without any prior experiance.
Husky372
ArboristSite Guru
i did'nt intend to rant. i was just saying that if you pay a decent wage you should get the right people. i also said this is'nt the first thread that you guys have pissed and moaned about ground help. so maybe its not all the groundmans problm.
MasterBlaster
TreeHouse Elder
Geez bro!
The whole point of this thread is for me come up with some hard copy I can simply hand to a new worker and they can take it home and check it out. I don't expect them to absorb it overnight, but at least they will have a better understanding of what is expected from a GOOD GROUNDMAN.
You could make it a game, of sorts. As they learned various procedures, they could be checked off, or whatnot. Who knows? Heck, I pay groundies $20 to learn a bowline... remember that thread?
Or, it could be taken to the next level. It could be documented in the employee's folder and used as criteria for pay increases.
Anyway, I think this might be cool.
Originally posted by Husky372
looks like by your list there masterblaster you want someone with 5 years+ experince. good luck
The whole point of this thread is for me come up with some hard copy I can simply hand to a new worker and they can take it home and check it out. I don't expect them to absorb it overnight, but at least they will have a better understanding of what is expected from a GOOD GROUNDMAN.
You could make it a game, of sorts. As they learned various procedures, they could be checked off, or whatnot. Who knows? Heck, I pay groundies $20 to learn a bowline... remember that thread?
Or, it could be taken to the next level. It could be documented in the employee's folder and used as criteria for pay increases.
Anyway, I think this might be cool.
Husky372
ArboristSite Guru
i was under the impression that you guys expect these guys to know all this stuff from the beginning. i'll just stay out of it for now on.
John Paul Sanborn
Above average climber
Hey is that Dave Bryant your dogs got up a tree?
Husky372
ArboristSite Guru
coon
MasterBlaster
TreeHouse Elder
Don't stay out, offer some suggestions!
Poor racoon!
Husky372
ArboristSite Guru
i'm not an arborist so anything else i have to offer would'nt be worth much. but i do like your idea about paying a guy to learn certian things. is most definatly a good incentive.
not all are shoot most are just treed by me anyway.
not all are shoot most are just treed by me anyway.
John Paul Sanborn
Above average climber
Do you eat them?
Husky372
ArboristSite Guru
rocky if you dont like what i have to say dont read it. and i was not trying to tell you anything just saying from what i have seen on other threads alot of you guys arent paying much but sure expect alot.
john no never have eaten coon but i know people who have. i just take the hide if i shoot one which is'nt often dead coon leave no tracks.
john no never have eaten coon but i know people who have. i just take the hide if i shoot one which is'nt often dead coon leave no tracks.
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MasterBlaster
TreeHouse Elder
Husky, to be honest, I wuz wondering the same thing myself.
And coon tastes dam good!
And coon tastes dam good!
there are few good groundies the way us guys like them to be,ive come down now to some basic rules.1 they must really need the money2 you must pay ok that can variey100-300 pr day on persons aptitude3 they must be able to think,to some that is not possible they can only be used on jobs where there is big amounts of hogging4when you get to this one revert to rule 2 and pay someone what they are worth for you for the day min 8yrs experience sorry not biased but for the sake of paying100-200 more a day to think and do 50% less is worth it.mb a good groundies just cant be taught they have to learn
MasterBlaster
TreeHouse Elder
I will admit this is my fantasy groundman, but this will at least give me some basic rules and regs for newbies to follow.
I'm not asking them to do anything I wouldn't do if I was them.
Are we running outta suggestions? Drying up?
I'm not asking them to do anything I wouldn't do if I was them.
Are we running outta suggestions? Drying up?
NeTree
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Dress and act presentable. They are the one new prospects are likely to talk to first, since the owner is likely to be the guy out of reach. Don't swear like you're in the dive down the street. Act like you're in church.
