Where is 'tree care and climbing"?

[Froggy]

Jack,
I'd love to hear what you have to say about climbing. Just start a post. This is Comercial Tree Care and Climbing. Me personaly, I like to hear what's going on out side of my area. If it's what type of bear another climber preferes then so be it. This is all about being a family. In order to be a big family you need to understand what everyone is about. We are lucky to have this thread. So don't bring bad vibes to it. That will only cause people to leave. Wouldn't you rather some climber come here to tell you his favorite bear than go else where? Just a thought. Hang in there Jack, you'll be alright.

 

[a_lopa]

Originally posted by stephenbullman
its ALWAYS a race

correctamondo

 

[murphy4trees]

Jack works by the hour I think... right Jack?

So it's not a race for him....

I like keeping my prices high so I can take the time to get the job done right....

And I think it's important to distinguish between working with velocity, as a master does, and rushing around making mistakes etc... Speed again is a by-product of efficiency and finesse, not an objective to be sought alone...

 

[MasterBlaster]

Originally posted by stephenbullman
its ALWAYS a race

Not for me, unless I'm ready to go to the house.

 

[jkrueger]

Originally posted by murphy4trees
Jack works by the hour I think... right Jack?

So it's not a race for him....

I like keeping my prices high so I can take the time to get the job done right....

And I think it's important to distinguish between working with velocity, as a master does, and rushing around making mistakes etc... Speed again is a by-product of efficiency and finesse, not an objective to be sought alone...

I do work by the hour most of the time. And it is a very intense concentration with the tree. I don't even think to stop for lunch or breaks until the tree is done and I move to another.

When I work with an estimate it is the same. Latley I've been correct with the est. For est. I have informed the client that if I come in under they will only have to pay for the time spent, and if I've run into a snag and I'm going over I stop to discuss it with the client. I have not gone over, so far, and had to discuss it.

The concentration being about the tree and not the climbing alows the climbing to be quicker and more efficent.

Jack

 

[jkrueger]

... in that concentration/efficiency is were I push my climbing skills and is where the need to learn more and improve is.

Jack

 

[Guy Meilleur]

Originally posted by jkrueger
I do work by the hour most of the time. And it is a very intense concentration with the tree. I don't even think to stop for lunch or breaks until the tree is done and I move to another.

Jack I agree this way of working works well for all concerned.

if I come in under they will only have to pay for the time spent,
I only do this with penny-pinchers. The rest of the cases I will spend the leftover minutes providing other services: looking at other trees and pests, weeding, aerating, something.
and if I've run into a snag and I'm going over I stop to discuss it with the client.
Absolutely.
The concentration being about the tree and not the climbing allows the climbing to be quicker and more efficient.

The concentration being about the tree and not the climbing allows the climbing to be quicker and more efficient.

The concentration being about the tree and not the climbing allows the climbing to be quicker and more efficient.

That is so true, it is worth saying three times!:angel:

 

[biker]

I reached out as far as I could with my chain saw the other day to make a pruning cut in a Norway Maple. It was a dog eared cut. It was in the top of the tree and no one would ever see it. I debated with myself for a couple of seconds about leaving it as it was but I could not. I called down for a 6' pole saw to make the correct cut. What's good for the tree is good for the climber.
Regardless of what the boss thinks. I agree with speed and effeceincy. But tree work is not a race...

T

 

[xander9727]

Biker,
Ethics are a vital part of being a good arborist. This will set you apart from your competition over time. I believe my signature whole heartedly. The guys that will perform poor quality work where it can't be seen eventually will cut corners where it can be seen. All they need is an excuse. They justify that it is out of sight so it doesn't matter. Next they can justify they'll be late to friday night beer or their next job etc and cut more corners. I may be taking too much liberty in my extrapolation but I've seen it happen.

Secondly, never kid yourself it's always a race. A race to improve the way you perform each cut. A race to get the yard cleaned up a little better, a little faster. A race to spend less time doing the same quality work to improve your profit margin. The important part of the race is the quality. Slow is smooth and smooth is fast. Rework always takes longer than doing it right the first time. If you spend the necessary time to perfect your skills the speed will come naturally. NOTHING STAYS THE SAME! You are either getting better or getting worse! If you just maintain, technology, techniques, etc will improve around you causing you to become less efficient (worse). Also the competition is always improving, you must improve at the same pace to stay on top.

If you're really old like Butch you need to find someone like Rocky to help to in and out of the tree........or ride a crane.

 

[jkrueger]

I must be crazy, being 63 and working to improve my climbing skill. Rocky is 39 and slowing down, ..., I must be nuts.

Today I have an old, big, ugly, farm tree, Norway Maple with 7-8 leaders. It was toped about 10-15 years ago and is hellish in stucture. It really is a bucket job and there isn't one. It was given to me. I can't find a place above the work to have a decent TIP. I don't like this one.

Big John said to treat each leader as a seperate tree, that makes me feel a little better and not so overwhelmed.

How do you guys deal with monsters like this? My TIP will be 30 deg angle and less with a walk of 20-30 ft. mostly up hill on big bowing leads.

Jack