You are hereby branded a novice moron, without the moron. It would take more than half a dozen 192's to make a 200. But you may be small time and do easy and small stuff and that might be why you feel the way you do.
Jeff
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You are hereby branded a novice moron, without the moron. It would take more than half a dozen 192's to make a 200. But you may be small time and do easy and small stuff and that might be why you feel the way you do.
Jeff
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If you are doing production climbing you will get frustrated with the 192 dogging on you. Especially once you see what a 200 can do. The 192 bogs in crotch cuts and simply just doesn't have the ass the 200 does. Best power to weight ratio and best all around climbing saw in production. That is why it is the undisputed champ in the climbing world.
But don't take my word for it, try one for yourself then tell me what you think of that 192.
Nemus Talea
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If you are a good small engine mechanic you can get whatever you wish, mod and maintain it with parts from the internet. If you can barely be trusted to clean an air-cleaner you should go with the closest "trusted" dealer. Stihl, Husky, Jred all have high performance climb saws. If you go Echo be sure the DEALER tunes it nice and rich so it won't burn up as so many box store Echos have.
For a business you need two saws, a primary and a backup. Even a used Echo will do as a backup so long as it will start and finish up a job. If you're a pro don't skimp on the primary, "You'll be sorry." Really, you're using it to make money so why balk at a couple hundred dollar difference between great and suffer-able. How many jobs would you have to do till it pays for itself?
A friend of mine uses a 260 as his smallest climb saw, he doesn't like top handles. He all but exclusively does removals so that explains plenty. A little long to maneuver in a tight prune job.
For a business you need two saws, a primary and a backup. Even a used Echo will do as a backup so long as it will start and finish up a job. If you're a pro don't skimp on the primary, "You'll be sorry." Really, you're using it to make money so why balk at a couple hundred dollar difference between great and suffer-able. How many jobs would you have to do till it pays for itself?
A friend of mine uses a 260 as his smallest climb saw, he doesn't like top handles. He all but exclusively does removals so that explains plenty. A little long to maneuver in a tight prune job.
Matt Michael
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You are hereby branded a novice moron, without the moron. It would take more than half a dozen 192's to make a 200. But you may be small time and do easy and small stuff and that might be why you feel the way you do.
Jeff
Well Jeff, I guess I had just better try a 200. Compared to the 009s I used for years the 192 seemed pretty cool. It beats the hell out of the Echo top handle.
I may actually be a moron but I think raising 2 kids and paying for my house with 21 years of climbing qualifies me for at least 1 grade above novice. Perhaps Small Time could be my new forum nickname.
Im sticking with my recommendation though. For a newbie starting out the 192 is a great way to go.
ducaticorse
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You're not a moron. Try out a 200T, and you'll find in direct comparison to a 192T that it is an entirely different saw. Liken it to a 372xp husky to a 455 rancher. It's night and day. You'll find out where the extra $300 went.
BCbound
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I use the 192t full time and it's perfect. I've also spent a lot of time with the 200t and don't think it's worth the price difference. In my area the the 200t is just under 700.00 and the 192 is 310.00. I've got a ms250 for when the spar pole gets a bit big then a 361. Great low cost set up. I would by a 192 again. Mines going on 3 seasons of full time use.
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both the 200 and the 192 have their place.
the 200 will go better for the bigger pieces are you want a fast cut.The 200 is not worth buying if you don't pull the muffler screen.If you leave it in,you just wasted $300.
The 192 actually runs excellent if you let it break in and trim the limiter caps so you can adjust the carb right.I haven't met a Stihl dealer yet that could tune a 192 right.
I have a 200 and a 192. I was using the 192 99% of the time until I got the new Husky T435.I haven't used either still for a couple weeks now.I might use them tomorrow to get the gas out of them.
In all fairness,my 192 runs great and has given me no trouble in two years.
the 200 will go better for the bigger pieces are you want a fast cut.The 200 is not worth buying if you don't pull the muffler screen.If you leave it in,you just wasted $300.
The 192 actually runs excellent if you let it break in and trim the limiter caps so you can adjust the carb right.I haven't met a Stihl dealer yet that could tune a 192 right.
I have a 200 and a 192. I was using the 192 99% of the time until I got the new Husky T435.I haven't used either still for a couple weeks now.I might use them tomorrow to get the gas out of them.
In all fairness,my 192 runs great and has given me no trouble in two years.
I don't run a T435 Husky, but hear it is plenty peppy for a $300 saw. As in only a bit slower than a 338....Which, along with its cousin, the Jonsy 2139T, are my favorite climb saws. Add a 9/16 port to the muffler, and they will beat a 200T with the screen removed. Great saws, long lasting, very well built, bargain priced...all the old problems are long since solved.
I also have 3 192T's, which really come alive with a 20 minute muffler mod, very easy, just some dremel work. They are very light, and great for pruning or light removals...almost as fast as the bigger saws (when bone stock) in small wood.
I also have 3 192T's, which really come alive with a 20 minute muffler mod, very easy, just some dremel work. They are very light, and great for pruning or light removals...almost as fast as the bigger saws (when bone stock) in small wood.
fishercat
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I have owned three 338s.
The t435 runs circles around the 338s i owned. The t435 is hands down a better saw.In all aspects.Mine rips.
The t435 runs circles around the 338s i owned. The t435 is hands down a better saw.In all aspects.Mine rips.
LawnMoore
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I also use a 260 pro/magnum rear handle saw for climbing, if i need something smaller i use my Zubat. Larger i use my 660.
Uhm i have an old beater Echo 330 i bought from the local pawn a couple years ago after my home burnt down and i lost everything.
The 330 still works and i used it long enough to buy a new 260 and 660 so why wouldnt a used pawn shop saw work?
I would suggest sticking with in order of suggestions
Stihl 200t
Stihl 192t
Echo 330
Echo 300
Husky.. forget model but top handle is obvious.
Uhm i have an old beater Echo 330 i bought from the local pawn a couple years ago after my home burnt down and i lost everything.
The 330 still works and i used it long enough to buy a new 260 and 660 so why wouldnt a used pawn shop saw work?
I would suggest sticking with in order of suggestions
Stihl 200t
Stihl 192t
Echo 330
Echo 300
Husky.. forget model but top handle is obvious.
Treecutr
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I have a 192TC, and two 020's, love them both, but I also pretty much only own stihl. I have one Husqvarna, but thats because it was a big saw DIRT cheap
flushcut
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Has anybody done a head to head challenge of all the pro and non-pro top handles? It would be really something to see. I guess you could have the stock class and modded class. I was just thinking out loud. It would end a lot of the my saw is the best on the planet stuff. If I could I would like to own one of every make/model and see for myself. I have heard that the 020t/200t is the best but have not run one. I would like to though. (side note: it was my old school saw mechanic who told me about them he's 85 and still cutting and has sold every make of saw made in recent history) 
Has anybody done a head to head challenge of all the pro and non-pro top handles? It would be really something to see. I guess you could have the stock class and modded class. I was just thinking out loud. It would end a lot of the my saw is the best on the planet stuff. If I could I would like to own one of every make/model and see for myself. I have heard that the 020t/200t is the best but have not run one. I would like to though. (side note: it was my old school saw mechanic who told me about them he's 85 and still cutting and has sold every make of saw made in recent history)
Sounds like you are dreaming out loud. It actually is "to each his own"!
Jeff
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I run a 192 and a 200. I have used both in the tree and there is no comparison. I put a little work into my 192 earlier this year. New chain, tune up, new spark plug. I figured I would give it a go in the tree since it had been awhile since I had used it topside. That lasted about an hour. It was grounded on the next tree.
I would like to try the t435 out though. Just don't make a lot of sense for me to buy a husky when I run all stihls.
I would like to try the t435 out though. Just don't make a lot of sense for me to buy a husky when I run all stihls.
flushcut
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Sounds like you are dreaming out loud. It actually is "to each his own"!
Jeff
Maybe so, but isn't that one of the symptoms of cad?
Maybe so, but isn't that one of the symptoms of cad?
You know, You might be right on that!
Jeff
Has anybody done a head to head challenge of all the pro and non-pro top handles? It would be really something to see. I guess you could have the stock class and modded class. I was just thinking out loud. It would end a lot of the my saw is the best on the planet stuff. If I could I would like to own one of every make/model and see for myself. I have heard that the 020t/200t is the best but have not run one. I would like to though. (side note: it was my old school saw mechanic who told me about them he's 85 and still cutting and has sold every make of saw made in recent history)
I have had a echo top handle, wore it out over about 10 years.I own one stihl, a 192t and think it is a good saw (not keen on those gas caps for some reason, is faster cutting than the old Echo was). I am no pro, just own acreage and I like to have a beer or two at night
and laugh at those my saw is better than your saw arguments lolFor starting out as they stated, I am sure money is crucial. Might be worth the savings while learning.
tree md
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Here's the thing, If you've never hung in a funny, painful position while making a cut at 5 PM when your body is exhausted and you just want to get finished and go home you will probably never appreciate the difference in a mediocre saw and one that zips right through the cuts. For anyone who has been in that position and cussed while their 192 or echo bogs and creeps through those cuts they definitely appreciate the ass the 200 has.
In other words, if your not a pro you'll likely never even realize the difference.
In other words, if your not a pro you'll likely never even realize the difference.
Kinda what I was trying to get at, The guy starting this thread is probably not "pro" yet or he would not be posting in "101", and may not be able to afford it, or dropping his gold plated chainsaw lol. I understand your needs for pro. My personal idea of purchases is usually you get what you pay for, buy the best tool which you can afford because generally if you are buying it and not renting you will use it again and again. But only if you can afford it.
Kinda like driving a Cadillac living in public housing if you can't..
I am having a hard time seeing your bogging issue with these though, my echo cut slower, but ran great. My 192T is a quick little saw with a fast chain. Ran like crap and did bog like crazy when new from the Stihl dealer, brought it back for a retune, ran like crap still two days later. I pulled the limiters and opened the needles up so it was not starving. Gave the lil guy a whole lotta attitude after that. It has been running that way for 2 years now. Half the battle with chainsaws is:
1. Find a good dealer for tuning, sharpening and service.
2. Learn it yourself. Files are your friend
3. If 2 does not work, go back to 1.
Maybe you just got a lemon on your 192T because any chainsaw I own is not worth a crap if it is bogging and as pitiful as you describe these lol, it would be through the dealers front window laying on their showroom floor..
Just my 2 cents..
tree md
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Believe me, I have been where these guys are at. When I first went out on my own back in 94 my thinking was the same; why spring for the expensive still when I could buy three cheaper saws for the price of one. Not going to mention what brand I bought because I don't want to start a big flame war but I did just that, bought three of those saws and worked myself harder than if I would have just gone ahead and bought the Stihl (020's back then).
I'm not recommending this saw because I am a chest pounder about having the biggest and baddest saw, I'm saying it because I spent years learning that it is best to go ahead and buy the best if you are doing it for a living. I was hard headed, I spent years learning that lesson.
And a 192 or an echo is going to bog in a 12-16" crotch cut no matter what you do to them. I know, I've been there and done that.
If you mostly do little #### nipper prune jobs then by all means go with a 192, hell go with a handsaw, but if you do a lot of removals you are going to want the 200. It is going to save you time and energy which in the long run adds up to money. There is a reason most of the seasoned guys around here recommend the 200.
I can't speak on the top handled huskys because I haven't run them.
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