Who splices their own rope?

[CaseyForrest]

Curious how many of you trust someone else to splice your climbing lines or if youve learned to do it yourself?

Ive been practicing class 1 double braid and class 1 3 strand. Im already competent doing class 2 12 strand and making whoopie slings.




Next Im going to give 12 and 16 strand a shot. Any tips, pointers, words of wisdom?

 

[tomtrees58]

i do its fun in the winter months

 

[RacerX]

Nice job. I splice my own slings and flip lines. Just remember to whip the eyes on the double braid to keep it from coming apart.

 

[ozzy42]

I don't splice but, I do have a question for you guys that do.
Would it be possible to splice 2 lines of different sizes together, to basicly make a rigging line with a stronger "leader" on the end?

If so...good idea? yes/no/maybe???

 

[tomtrees58]

wow have you cut your rigging lines if thear the same make yes

 

[ozzy42]

No,I was just thinking it would be nice to have the weight of a small line ,but the strength at the working end of a big rigging line that will hold big loads.

Like catching a 30# fish on 10# test with the right leader.

 

[tomtrees58]

i was thinking of getting black widow from sherrill did you look at that on fishing i got a 50 lbs striped bass on 20 lbs line wen i was 12 years old held the record for 2 years tom

 

[ozzy42]

i was thinking of getting black widow from sherrill did you look at that on fishing i got a 50 lbs striped bass on 20 lbs line wen i was 12 years old held the record for 2 years tom

That's one hell of a catch.













Especially since they probably didn't even have mechanical reels back then.:jump:

 

[tomtrees58]

thEspecially since they probably didn't even have mechanical reels back then. thanks i have pic of the fish but there in st Pete and will not be there till march

 

[CaseyForrest]

Nice job. I splice my own slings and flip lines. Just remember to whip the eyes on the double braid to keep it from coming apart.

Im up in the air over this one. Lock stitch or whip. I like the aesthetics of whipping, but feel a lock stitch would be more secure in the long term since it's not exposed.

 

[CaseyForrest]

No,I was just thinking it would be nice to have the weight of a small line ,but the strength at the working end of a big rigging line that will hold big loads.

Like catching a 30# fish on 10# test with the right leader.

Ultimate strength will be determined by the weaker of the two. If you load up the higher rated line and pull on the lower rated line, having the higher rated line will not increase the working limits of the line as a whole.

 

[ozzy42]

I'm talking about the bigger end running from the termination on a branch/log and a little past the false or natural crotch where the initial shock load would occur.
In most cases the line from the crotch point -to the groundman or porty is usually weighted a lot less. I'm guessing 40 ft of bull rope to hang tops with then tapering to a less bulky and lighter 1/2 or 9/16 line.

 

[ozzy42]

thEspecially since they probably didn't even have mechanical reels back then. thanks i have pic of the fish but there in st Pete and will not be there till march

Aaah, I'm just poking fun at your age.
That had to feel good to catch a fish that size at 12 yrs old.

My first halfway decent size fish was a 8lb drum on my 8th birthday.
Dam thing seemed like a whale to me at the time.

 

[mcfly]

Im up in the air over this one. Lock stitch or whip. I like the aesthetics of whipping, but feel a lock stitch would be more secure in the long term since it's not exposed.

You'd like the yale whiplock then: http://www.yalecordage.com/pdf/yale_whiplock.pdf

As far as words of wisdom go... if you really enjoy splicing the Toss wand is totally worth it. I have a medium length one and the arborist (42") one.

I'm not sure how I would have put eyes in my arbormaster lines without one. I'm not saying it can't be done, but there'd be some serious swearing in my garage if I was trying to push a fid through 2+ feet of 16 strand.

 

[CaseyForrest]

You'd like the yale whiplock then: http://www.yalecordage.com/pdf/yale_whiplock.pdf

As far as words of wisdom go... if you really enjoy splicing the Toss wand is totally worth it. I have a medium length one and the arborist (42") one.

I'm not sure how I would have put eyes in my arbormaster lines without one. I'm not saying it can't be done, but there'd be some serious swearing in my garage if I was trying to push a fid through 2+ feet of 16 strand.

Thanks for the link.

I looked at the Toss Wand some time ago. But I also wasnt splicing anything but hollow braid line. Perhaps once I get some 12 and 16 strand, Ill look back into it.

 

[randyg]

Toss wand works great. Had a bit of trouble early on with small loop (string) breaking. Now make out of guitar (metal) string. Whipping pretty but very time consuming, so I lock stitch. Splice your own, and know what you've got.

ozzy42 I think the spliced area would not run well through friction device, but then envision heavy end running away and pulling light end through block. Not a bad idea though.

 

[TreeClimber57]

Been splicing and making eyes since the '70s. Rope has changed over years.. and have to keep learning But easy to do for the most part, and fills in time in evenings.

 

[pdqdl]

Im up in the air over this one. Lock stitch or whip. I like the aesthetics of whipping, but feel a lock stitch would be more secure in the long term since it's not exposed.

Don't even THINK about whipping a double braid splice. I used to think it was OK, 'cause I didn't have any needles to lock stitch with.

Then I almost came out of a tree when my previously whipped eye splice came undone right in my hands, just prior to being my only support 20' up a tree.

All the training materials say to lock stitch, so do it that way!

 

[CaseyForrest]

Don't even THINK about whipping a double braid splice. I used to think it was OK, 'cause I didn't have any needles to lock stitch with.

Then I almost came out of a tree when my previously whipped eye splice came undone right in my hands, just prior to being my only support 20' up a tree.

All the training materials say to lock stitch, so do it that way!

Thanks for the advice.

Heres my first try at 16 strand.

 

[pdqdl]

No,I was just thinking it would be nice to have the weight of a small line ,but the strength at the working end of a big rigging line that will hold big loads.

Like catching a 30# fish on 10# test with the right leader.

That probably isn't a real good idea. The big rigging line will have less elasticity and stretch for any given load than the lighter line, so there is a good chance that you will end up concentrating all of the shock load on the shorter lighter rigging rope.

That might end up badly. If you are not planning on working the rope very hard, then why not just use a lighter rope for the entire span?