Whoopie VS. Loopie

[Lumberjack]

What are the strengths of each? What are the weaknesses? I have whoopies, and I use them for the porty and false crotch. I was wondering the advantages of each in rigging.

I know that the loopie can get smaller, and you rarely set it up the same, so it spreads out the wear.

What makes the whoopie better than a loopie in a different setup?

Carl

 

[NickfromWI]

Strengthwise, stick with the loopie. You have a loop, which doubles the strength. In a whoopie, the load is put on only one leg of rope. That part's not too hard to see.

In the rest of the post, you show what I've been saying for a while (after it was pointed out to me by Norm Hall)...Loopies good, whoopies bad.

love
nick

 

[xander9727]

I agree with Nick.
Go loopie.

 

[Greg]

Nick made a great loopie for me, I have been using it for months and it shows no sign of hard wear (3/4 tennex). I use it mainly for securing a block, my PWIII had been sitting abandoned since Oct when I bought a GRCS.
Greg

 

[NickfromWI]

In the whoopies defense...

It's tough to do something like this with a loopie, but the whoopie makes it easy!

And Greg, thank you for the kind words.

love
nick

 

[Lumberjack]

Originally posted by Greg
... I use it mainly for securing a block, my PWIII had been sitting abandoned since Oct when I bought a GRCS.
Greg

I bet you love that GRCS. One of those things on my wish list.

Carl

 

[dbeck]

I found it funny when I got caught up in a discussion w/ a fellow climber comparing loopies to eye slings and he said he liked eye slings better because he could rig them faster than a loopie. I've tried and the loopie wins every time.
I got the feeling he was stubborn...

other bonuses for the loopie? Easier to splice, lighter while aloft, no knots to screw up, FASTER to rig...anybody else?

 

[Lumberjack]

There aint no knots in either the whoopie or the loopie. I could see how the loopie is faster than the whoopie in adjustment tho.

So I guess I will get some rope from a guy named Nick who used to live in WI when the time comes.

Carl

 

[dbeck]

I should specify those eye slings were not whoopies, but the eye slings made from riging line with which you would tie timber, cow, stilson hitches for rigging apps.

 

[Lumberjack]

I was about to respond to that, because I was thinking about an eye to eye sling, but after rereading your post several times, that became clear.


Carl

 

[Grigory]

Explain please.

The size 6 ft is specified in the catalogue Ñherrill for Loopie. It is long of the twice combined loop? It is possible to capture the maximal diameter of a trunk, which by this loop = 6/3,14 = 2 ft?
Accordingly for Woopie the size 9 ft is specified is is long of a unary loop from the end up to the end and maximal diameter of a trunk ~ 3 ft?

 

[dbeck]

from what I understand, it is a simple calculation. if a loopie is advertised as 9 feet, divide by pi (3.14). That will tell you, for the most part, the largest piece you can go around. in this case, you could max out at 2.8 feet in diameter.
hope I explained that correctly.

 

[NickfromWI]

Originally posted by dbeck
from what I understand, it is a simple calculation. if a loopie is advertised as 9 feet, divide by pi (3.14). That will tell you, for the most part, the largest piece you can go around. in this case, you could max out at 2.8 feet in diameter.
hope I explained that correctly.

dbeck, that is correct, and wrong. If it is exactly a 9' loopie, the ends will just barely meet when you bring them together after going around the tree. Consider you still need to hang the block or PW on it.

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Here's an idea that I was thinking about for the last few months, and after trying some things out, I would like to make one comment in defense of the Whoopie.

The loopie can lenghten while under load. You can test this out by having 2 people pull by hand while you try to lengthen it, or you can have 2 trucks pull on it. While they are pulling, push the tail end of the "throat." You'll see the throat bunch up, then loosen up, then the piece will lenghten as slack feeds in to it.

You could never accomplish this with a whoopie. There is tension on both ends of the throat preventing lengthening of sling without first removing tension.


You can see the picture if this doesn't make sense to you, or just to marvel at my artistic skills with the Paint program.


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But the question is, "Does this mean anything to us?" Have any of us ever seen a loopie get bigger while in use. Only tiny bits here and there for me. Never saw it just slip open. Could this happen? I don't know. Seems possible. Should we wait for it to happen before we consider a change?

I don't know answers yet. But this is worth thinking about for those of us that use either of these two tools.

love
nick

 

[NickfromWI]

the picture

Dag-on-it. I for to attach the pic. here it is!