Why do "Chinesium" chainsaws need a richer oil mix?

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I'm seeing $250 Efco's online. Not sure of the oil mix on them but I'm assuming all saws are now 40-50:1 unless using for a mill.
I was referring to the Echo 2511t. A few years ago they were $275. I get a pretty good price on them and paid $452 delivered with a 12 inch bar. Most places are $500.

Efco is a decent brand, but parts can potentially be a bítch to find. The beauty of the Echo 2511 is that it’s the only one with a pro style removable cylinder. Not a clamshell. Most others are clamshells. I would think folks would be interested in the Efco model as well if it’s not a clamshell
 
Legit Echos are so cheap, I'm surprised there's a market for clones. I guess a $400 Echo vs. a $150 clone will still get takers for the clone.
I priced OEM 510 before taxes or my 10% discount. Clone was 140 shipped.
99 bought in bulk list. 159 is normal folks want shipped retail.

There is like 5 different clone 2511 out so got to do you research.

I got the one I felt closest to the oem one with some updates. 2 bar studs and better stock muffler.

Pretty much oem pieces swap in if needed.

Even picked up the 12" 1/4" micro mini drum and b+c for 50.
 

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I was referring to the Echo 2511t. A few years ago they were $275. I get a pretty good price on them and paid $452 delivered with a 12 inch bar. Most places are $500.

Efco is a decent brand, but parts can potentially be a bítch to find. The beauty of the Echo 2511 is that it’s the only one with a pro style removable cylinder. Not a clamshell. Most others are clamshells. I would think folks would be interested in the Efco model as well if it’s not a clamshell
I was looking at a 50cc Efco and it got decent reviews but what stopped me was what you pointed out, parts if I needed them.
 
The beauty of the Echo 2511 is that it’s the only one with a pro style removable cylinder. Not a clamshell. Most others are clamshells. I would think folks would be interested in the Efco model as well if it’s not a clamshell

I have one on the back burner I had found while researching 25cc stuff. I'll start a thread on it. :cheers:

Bit over the weight of the 2511 but still under 6lbs.
 

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I was looking at a 50cc Efco and it got decent reviews but what stopped me was what you pointed out, parts if I needed them.
The Duke referred me to a dealer in Wisconsin for parts for an Efco backpack blower. One part I wanted was backordered and she said it likely wasn’t worth the wait. But they sent the other one to me within a week. I believe if the dealer has your part, you’re good to go. It’s when they have to order them that it takes a long time
 
The Duke referred me to a dealer in Wisconsin for parts for an Efco backpack blower. One part I wanted was backordered and she said it likely wasn’t worth the wait. But they sent the other one to me within a week. I believe if the dealer has your part, you’re good to go. It’s when they have to order them that it takes a long time
Try Chad next time in MI he works for a dealer that sells Efco still. He is one of the mods in group.
 
I was referring to the Echo 2511t. A few years ago they were $275. I get a pretty good price on them and paid $452 delivered with a 12 inch bar. Most places are $500.

Efco is a decent brand, but parts can potentially be a bítch to find. The beauty of the Echo 2511 is that it’s the only one with a pro style removable cylinder. Not a clamshell. Most others are clamshells. I would think folks would be interested in the Efco model as well if it’s not a clamshell
I've kicked around the idea of getting a small, REALLY light weight saw to limb with when I do disaster relief. Sometimes its nice to have something light weight when your climbing through downed tree tops on the side of a mountain :) Hadn't spent much time researching them but I never dug real deep on the subject because the lightest Stihl I could find was a touch over 9 lbs and that's not enough weight difference to justify going smaller than my 026 or 024. I just noticed the comment about the 2511 being 6 lbs. That's enough of a difference to spark my interest. Glad you guys mentioned it!
 
I've kicked around the idea of getting a small, REALLY light weight saw to limb with when I do disaster relief. Sometimes its nice to have something light weight when your climbing through downed tree tops on the side of a mountain :) Hadn't spent much time researching them but I never dug real deep on the subject because the lightest Stihl I could find was a touch over 9 lbs and that's not enough weight difference to justify going smaller than my 026 or 024. I just noticed the comment about the 2511 being 6 lbs. That's enough of a difference to spark my interest. Glad you guys mentioned it!
Echo 2511 OEM PHO like 5lbs 4oz. Clones 5lbs 6oz to 8oz

Stihl has the 150T and newer 151T under 6lbs but barely. Efco 25cc same weight PHO dry as this one too.

This is the clone 2511 filled up with mix, bar oil and 12" b+c 3/8LP on for total weight. Less with 1/4" micro 12" set.
 

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I priced OEM 510 before taxes or my 10% discount. Clone was 140 shipped.
99 bought in bulk list. 159 is normal folks want shipped retail.

There is like 5 different clone 2511 out so got to do you research.

I got the one I felt closest to the oem one with some updates. 2 bar studs and better stock muffler.

Pretty much oem pieces swap in if needed.

Even picked up the 12" 1/4" micro mini drum and b+c for 50.

$510 to $159 will definitely create a market for a clone.

I'm just not a clone person. Lots of reasons.
 
Legit Echos are so cheap, I'm surprised there's a market for clones. I guess a $400 Echo vs. a $150 clone will still get takers for the clone.

Chinese versions of Kioritz products are nothing new. More than 15 years ago, German DIY chain Obi sold a chainsaw here with the designation BKS 40 (Benzin-KettenSäge 40 cc/Gasoline ChainSaw 40 cc). It was parts compatible with Echo CS-4200ES (39.6 cc). It was equipped with a "square" air filter instead of a round one as in the Echo.

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The manufacturer of this chainsaw was a Chinese company with the English name ZHEJIANG ZOMAX GARDEN MACHINERY CO., LTD.

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https://www.zomaxtool.com/gasoline-chainsaw/


They offer a lot of other models, which are probably also copies of various Yamabiko products. Although their 25cc top handle chainsaw is unlikely to be a copy of Echo. The largest chainsaw in their range has an engine displacement of 73.5 cc.
 

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