Two-Stroke Oils: All the Same?

[North by Northwest]

I use a standard mineral oil in all my saws when not using Aspen, but I do also own a Suzuki GT750A. Not tried any decent synthetic oil in a saw with my own mix but I can say without doubt that the Suzuki runs a lot better on synthetic. But, as ever, quality is key. Don't buy the cheapest and I personally stick to brands that have a reputation to lose. Except Stihl. Their oil is surprisingly not very good--even their pre mix is a bit iffy.

The Suzuki water buffalo ?

 

[North by Northwest]

Nope, they removed it in the newer formula.

Just checked , shows naptha as the solvency package now !

 

[Orbinrangle]

The Suzuki water buffalo ?

Yep. Known as a kettle over here.

 

[bwalker]

Read up on it. I dont assume, they did.

I just refuse to pay more for less.

Guys in the know that used the old mentioned even yesterday they see the difference in the new and switched oils.

Can even tell the difference by bottles when they switched to the new labels used today.

The newer cheapen formula they went to in new bottle at bottom.

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I have read up on it and the guys saying that are speculating at best. They are basing that idea on the fact the msds doesn't show ester. What they don't understand is esters aren't toxic snd as such don't need to be listed on the MSDS.

 

[bwalker]

Just checked , shows naptha as the solvency package now !

Naptha is the diluent..
Ester is a base oil..

 

[MacAttack]

So Echo Power Blend and Red Armor are both semi-synthetics with fuel stabilizers and FD rated.... what the heck is supposed to be the difference?
Maybe I'll just stick with Power Blend...

 

[bwalker]

So Echo Power Blend and Red Armor are both semi-synthetics with fuel stabilizers and FD rated.... what the heck is supposed to be the difference?
Maybe I'll just stick with Power Blend...

Certainly nothing wrong with that.

 

[skeet88]

Yep. Known as a kettle over here.

Curious as to what y’all are referring to.

 

[MacAttack]

Curious as to what y’all are referring to.

Big old liquid cooled 2-stroke motorcycle, was a 750 triple I think.

 

[skeet88]

Big old liquid cooled 2-stroke motorcycle, was a 750 triple I think.

Cool! I didn’t know if it was a jet ski since Northwest mentioned a water buffalo. Be Safe.

 

[North by Northwest]

Naptha is the diluent..
Ester is a base oil..

Yeah , I said that

Naptha is the diluent..
Ester is a base oil..

Yeah , that's what I indicated previously within post #360 Ben . I just received 4 gallons of the old formula all black just a few weeks ago . Never used the brand before . I want to use it this winter on the RXL . Since it really looked good according to Kevin's advice !

 

[mark3885]

MacAttack said:
Big old liquid cooled 2-stroke motorcycle, was a 750 triple I think.
My kids and I rebuilt a 76 Water Buffalo back in 1998 , a friend I did some work for gave me a brand new never fired 72 crate motor. It was in a show bike , every nut and bolt was cleaned and painted , it ran great but was a heavy bike. A friend had a Kawasaki H2 750 triple 2 stroke back then in our youth .

 

[RedneckChainsawRepair]

I have scar tissue on knuckles from laying down a 2 cycle Kaw back in guessing - 80. Was the 750 only one they made?
I never paid attention to details back then.

 

[hosocat]

I had forgotten that 750 Suzuki was nick named the water buffalo!! That was a great Era for motorcycling and cars.

 

[North by Northwest]

I have scar tissue on knuckles from laying down a 2 cycle Kaw back in guessing - 80. Was the 750 only one they made?
I never paid attention to details back then.

I had a 1974 H2 Mach IV 750 triple , prior had a 1972 H1 Mach III & 1969 H1 Blue Streak the 1st Kawi triple . Real rocketships , especially once you wicked them up to 6000 rpm . The Water Buffalo was also nick named the flexi flyer . Heavier bike , due to the water jackets & associated rad & electric fan & piping & hoses , however very smooth & deceptively quick !

 

[Orbinrangle]

Yes it is heavy, but well behaved on the road, unlike the H1 and H2. Photo taken when chauffeuring a friend's son to his school prom. Bit off subject here now, I think.

 

[North by Northwest]

Yes it is heavy, but well behaved on the road, unlike the H1 and H2. Photo taken when chauffeuring a friend's son to his school prom. Bit off subject here now, I think.

Actually a very smooth tourer , in a pinch lol.

 

[bwalker]

I had a 1974 H2 Mach IV 750 triple , prior had a 1972 H1 Mach III & 1969 H1 Blue Streak the 1st Kawi triple . Real rocketships , especially once you wicked them up to 6000 rpm . The Water Buffalo was also nick named the flexi flyer . Heavy bike due to the water jackets & associated rad & electric fan & piping & hoses , however very smooth & deceptively quick !

MY father in law had a Mach IV. Said it was very powerful and handled like dog chit.
I actually owned a KR Special Yamaha RZ 350 and a Daytona Special RD400 at one time. I was offered a stupid sum of money by a guy who wanted both. The problem is the prices have gotten even more stupid since. I really regret selling them.
It's really a shame that Yamaha or KTM hasn't used some modern low emmissions tech to get two strokes back on the road.

 

[Orbinrangle]

MY father in law had a Mach IV. Said it was very powerful and handled like dog chit.
I actually owned a KR Special Yamaha RZ 350 and a Daytona Special RD400 at one time. I was offered a stupid sum of money by a guy who wanted both. The problem is the prices have gotten even more stupid since. I really regret selling them.
It's really a shame that Yamaha or KTM hasn't used some modern low emmissions tech to get two strokes back on the road.

I was loaned an RD250LC whilst the bike shown had an engine rebuild. Far too small for me but hilarious. These also fetch stupid money now, but I can see why.

 

[bwalker]

Yeah , I said that

Yeah , that's what I indicated previously within post #360 Ben . I just received 4 gallons of the old formula all black just a few weeks ago . Never used the brand before . I want to use it this winter on the RXL . Since it really looked good according to Kevin's advice !

The stuff I have and the stuff Home depot still sells is still the old formula...if there is an old formula. I have my doubts.