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Lakeside53

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I needed to make some accurate and repeatable port timing measurements.

It's not all that difficult in concept- print out a degree wheel, tape it the flywheel and point something at it. But... if you want to use it over and over again, get repeatable results, and be able to accurately calibrate TDC each time, something better is required.


I found a scrap of sheet aluminum about 2mm thick, scribed a 4.25 inch circle (so it will fit on most still saws), rough cut it on the bandsaw (you could also use a jig saw), then just because I have one... trued up the edges on a lathe... The center is bored out to 10mm, but I'll probably make it 12 then put in sleeves to suit different cranks.



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Go to www.machinerycleanery.com, and download their nice degree wheel. Load it into Microsoft paint or whatever, and scale the PRINT output until you get it to fit exactly on the disk you made. In my case, it was 24%. Squirt a little spray adhesive on both, slap togther, and cut the excess off with a razor knife.

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Mount it on the flywheel stub with a washer in front and behind and tighten until it has a firm friction fit. For a pointer, I used a scribe mounted in magnetic base holder. The cheap holders work great for this type of stuff and are only about $20.


Now the part that's tricker.. how to determine exactly where TDC is... it's not as easy as it looks.. but there is a dead easy way!

Set your wheel to about TDC. Either screw in a piston stop, or as you can see in my case, with an open cylinder, put a 1mm washer on top of the piston. Turn the wheel to the left, record the reading, then to the right and do the same. Adjust the wheel until you read the same measurement left and right. Remove your stop, and the zero mark is TDC...

My "stop"
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Left = 15 degrees

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Right = 15 degrees

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TDC and BDC are at zero (on this scale)
 
Hmmmmmmm
OK.
One band saw
One metal lathe
One magnetic base holder
One scribe
One computer
One printer
One can spray glue
One 2mm thick scrap pice of alminum
One 1mm thick washer
And one Chainsaw cylinder cut in half .

Great Job Lake. Do you have a spare washer ?
 
Lake, You are the man, in my book. With that said.
I can't believe my eyes, but is that metal saw shavings on the cylinder? :buttkick: :)
 
manual said:
Hmmmmmmm
OK.
One band saw
One metal lathe
One magnetic base holder
One scribe
One computer
One printer
One can spray glue
One 2mm thick scrap pice of alminum
One 1mm thick washer
And one Chainsaw cylinder cut in half .

Great Job Lake. Do you have a spare washer ?


Manual you left out a lot on your list....LOL


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Trigger-Time said:
Lake, You are the man, in my book. With that said.
I can't believe my eyes, but is that metal saw shavings on the cylinder? :buttkick: :)

nope... been washed and blown - just looks that way because of the flash bounce.

Keep watching me though!
 
Lakeside53 said:
nope... been washed and blown - just looks that way because of the flash bounce.

Keep watching me though!

It looked like it on the cly. fins and spark plug threads. ;)

P.S. I don't think you need watched, and sure not by a hack like me!
 
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Lakeside, finding TDC is easy; its exactly 180 deg. from BDC. :buttkick:

OK, Ok, I promise I will be good! Lol! Thought I would mention the need to exactly centre the wheel with the centre of the crank. If it is off centre at all, you can get some wonky readings that dont agree from side to side. That is a nice stiff and accurate setup you show.
 
Trigger-Time said:
It looked like it on the cly. fins and spark plug threads. ;)

P.S. I don't think you need watched, and sure not by a hack like me!


Hence that fancy new open cylinder design to expell contaminents, saw dust, metal shavings, dirt, etc.... But may lend to poor compression me thinks...:help:
 
Trigger-Time said:
It looked like it on the cly. fins and spark plug threads. ;)

P.S. I don't think you need watched, and sure not by a hack like me!


Nope, Just looks that way - flash does that..
 
I have some interesting 044 results from mine with both the old and new style cylinders. I'll publish them is a day or so.


If you print out your wheel, use a laser printer. The result are water and gas proof. Ink jets tend not to be...
 
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Ok throw out new printer and buy a laser printer.

Lake my wife is going to want to talk to you soon. when she finds this out.

Maybe I'd be or shall I say we would be better off if I used the one at work.
 

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