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avalancher... we've been had... that bead is only the tack weld. what was not shown is the solid and long weld bead on the back side that actually supporting the pivot rod.

even if that bead was not there, there'd be plenty of support for pivot rod.

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Uhhh....where did the OP go? :censored: iv'e been exposed!
 
Probably trolling another thread. Seems that he wants his $ back so that he can apply it toward a processor?
 
Wow, things changed in a hurry in this thread! Boy was I wrong. According to the OP's pics that fab work looked like a joke. After seeing another posters pic of a different angle of the "same" assembly it looks like the OP may be trying to screw speeco. At this point it looks as if he has only but 1 real concern. Why is the cycle time so sloooooow? Guess if you run 300+ face cords per year over a true "homeowner duty" piece of equipment you shouldn't expect it to stand the test of time.

Still wonder where the speeco rep is these days.
 
let's track the inconsistencies in OP's posts.
there are more but here goes.

first cross threaded plug was speeco's fault. then it comes out the mechanic did it....

even if plug was not sealed, it shouldn't be a problem. the same model previously had a vent incorporated into plug. besides I've never seen a machine that uses gallons of hydraulic oil not have a bit of oil on equipment.

The origional tank was changed by the dealer that had the cross threaded cap. I didnt see that until I took the splitter home. He should have never installed the tank with the wrong cap or sent me home with it cross threaded. I dont have the old beam or cylinder etc. The tech has all of that, and while I havent been to his shop in a while last I knew he still had it all too sitting in his shop. Maybe he is going to get enough parts and build a splitter???? I have to disagree with the leaking being minor and just Teflon taping it. I believe if its right its right, it should seal without tape. If you bought a brand new car and it had a 1300 dollar engine, and you parked that car inside a fairly new shed on concrete and the oil plug leaked, would you just crawl under the car and pull the oil plug and Teflon tape it or would you be back at the dealer making them make it right?

I suspect the plug woudlnt go and was rammed in with a impact and a 12 pt socket that size I SUSPECT.

The fact they had to send me another new tank because they cross threaded the wrong cap into the tank at the factory shouldn't count against me either. .
 
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that's totally not true!

yes compared to Timberwolf, Iron & Oak, American, etc. Speeco is a low end splitter.

but no way are speeco crappy splitters. they've earned a solid reputation as the best of the affordable splitters.

All mfg will have issues even American and Timberwolf. speeco has consistently gotten great reviews on performance, value and great customer service.

first hand I've received great customer service and performance from my 35 ton speeco. I paid $1600 for mine on sale at TSC. after searching high and low. convinced that's the max bang for my $$$.

my next splitter will probably be a used Timberwolf TW-5. but it won't be because my 35 ton speeco is not doing the job.

Yeah, but they really are, after all, pretty low end crappy splitters....
 
.02 cents from newbie

I’m fairly new to AS, and don’t (yet) own a splitter. I’ve been following this thread and others about splitters with interest. I’ve been impressed by the overwhelming positive reviews on the Speeco splitters.
I don’t want to wade in on the OP’s motives or character, just want to share some observations and get some feedback.
The TSC near me has 27-ton and 38-ton Huskee (Speeco) splitters on site and for sale. The 27-ton is about $1200, the 38-ton is about $1800. The local Lowes has a Troy Built for sale. I’ve never owned a splitter, but I noticed that the I-beam on the Troy Built does not extend to the end of the cylinder, the Speeco’s are made of heavier steel, and have a wider wedge and a bigger foot. The Troy Built has a Honda engine; the Speeco’s are Briggs and Stratton.
I expect to be clearing 5 – 10 acres of land with mixed hardwood and I am not currently burning wood. Whether I switch back to wood heat or not, I figure to split a lot of wood into firewood and either use it myself or sell it.
So what’s my point? All I know about the 22-ton Speeco is what I’ve seen on this site, and from the pictures posted, it’s obvious to me the design is different from the larger splitters. Looking at the 27- and 38-tons side by side, there are obvious differences, for example, cylinder diameter, thickness of the steel, depth of the web of the I-beam, pump and motor size. Again, based only on the pictures posted of the 22-ton it looks to me like it is intended for light duty use. All the features I just listed are significantly smaller on the 22-ton than the 27-ton. The 27-ton appears to be nearly twice as heavily built. I know guys have said they are happy with their 22-ton splitters, and everyone has different habits on how they use equipment. I wish TSC had a 22-ton on site so I could compare. I think if they did, when I looked the three sizes over, I would go with the 27-ton, not only because it is $600 (I could afford to pay it) less than the 38-ton, but mainly because I can’t imagine throwing anything I’m going to cut at the 27-ton that it couldn’t handle.
I’ve always believed in buying the heaviest duty equipment I can afford. If I was in the business, I would definitely buy the 38-ton. If I couldn’t afford the 27-ton, I’d buy a 22-ton, but I’d always be feeling I needed to baby it, and be wishing I had a bigger one.
Bottom line, I plan to buy a 27-ton Huskee, and I expect it to do what I need it to do.
 
oxbow... also look at Northern splitters. they consistently get good reviews too. but if you've got a TSC nearby, speeco is hard to beat for the $$$. especially if you don't have pay for freight. which can run $500+ depending on how far.

if you've got patience... keep an eye out for a sale. I got TSC to match a no tax day offer from a competitor and got my 35 ton speeco for $1600. that was 2 years ago and prices are different now.

if you've got the $$$ budgeted... lots of folks are real happy with American, Iron & Oak and Timberwolf.
 
First off, I have been out of town, for Easter visiting family. I am still out of town but using a computer at relatives house for now. I will also be out of town thursday-sunday night next week as well. This doesnt mean I am "out trolling" or avoiding anything. It means that life doesnt allow me to get on here. As I said above I wouldn't be able to get pictures of mine until at least Monday. Mine is welded like shown, but when the 2 welds on the back broke, they must serve some purpose because as you can see the pivot pin is welded behind the flat plate of steel. Normally, the pin tube is about an1/8th of an inch away from the other plate, the 2 spot welds hold the pin pivot away from the other plate there in the back. When the 2 spot welds broke, the pin tube then rested against the plate on the back. Aka if you think about removing those 2 spot welds and then the pin tube 'bends back' and rests on the plate behind it. I agree the weld on the front should hold it, but who am I to say? I saw that normally that pivot is held up off of the other plate in the back. The welds were there and broke and the pin pivot had moved. I took it to the dealer who agreed it should not be like that. If the tack welds were merely a step in the assembly process, that should have been explained to me by the servicing dealer. I was told by the dealer, the plug had came like that from the factory, but now after talking to the dealer many times I am starting to disbelieve him more and more. I don't know who screwed up the threads with the plug. I personally think it is both of their problems, spee co for shipping the unit with the wrong plug and the tech for not noticing it and sending me home with it wrong and cross threaded. I have never said that I don't use this machine. It is not used every day but does get used. I do have another splitter that I use for anything big and for anything that is real twisted or gnarly. I used to have a 30 ton model. I dont need a 30 ton model. I have another splitter for the big knarly stuff. Why spend big money getting a 30 ton machine when I dont need a 30 ton machine. I dont need that much force. Chances are if I need that big of a machine, I can't lift the round onto the splitter anyways. I dont like using the machine vertically unless I have to, and chances are if I need that big of a splitter ill set it aside and get it with my other splitter. I decided I really didn't need that big of a machine and went to my local farm store and told them flat out what my intentions were and what the machine was going to be used for to produce firewood for sale. I am not a tree service and dont have a guy on the machine all day every day. It was going to be used, not every day but quite often. I have the other splitter on my tractor that would get the real big stuff and the gnarly stuff. If I wanted speed and production and had a few guys working with me I will take the time to hook up the tractor and dig the tractor out and use that. This splitter would be for when I am working alone and doing smaller stuff anything under 18-20". I did state to him how much I intended on using the machine etc and he told me that the machine which I purchased would be fine. He told me it had a 3 year warranty on all steel components, knowing full well I sell firewood. The salesman knew that. No where on line nor in the manual does it distinguish between residential use and commercial use. If they have a problem standing behind their product for 3 years under commercial use then it should be stated. My aggravation is through the fact that I bought a splitter with a 3 year warranty and now the company is trying to back down and back out of their commitment. I have never said I don't use it, and use it to split firewood for sale. The dealer that sold me the product knew this and didn't say anything. I am not having buyers remorse. I was would love a processor, but that is not in the cards for me right now. I have bought some log length wood that I am going to have a processor come in and work up for me. I am not unhappy with the machine when it is working. For when I am by myself, and for branch wood, not having to hook a splitter up to a tractor and not running a tractor when I am by myself and don't have someone who can help me go get rounds etc this splitter works fine. I think it has its weak points, but when it is working it does its job. I wouldn't have any problem having a 3 way conversation between me spee co and the servicing dealer. The part that aggravates me is that spee co is trying to back out of their warranty now when as I said the dealer never stipulated it was a residential unit. The manual doesn't stipulate. IF spee co isn't going to stand behind their product then buy me out, buy it back. IF spee co doesnt believe this machine is made to handle splitting as much as I do or is made for commercial use put an hour meter on it. I am aggravated because spee co didn't stipulate between commercial and residential use in their warranty and now all the sudden they are just dropping the ball.
 
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you sure change your story a lot .... here's a post from 4-5 where you are recommending speeco as a decent splitter. Now it's a total piece of crap.

this thread is convoluted due to your twisting the facts about. the perfect example is the tack weld. which does NOTHING except maybe to hold things together during assembly. which you conveniently don't mention until someone posted a picture of back side.

second is the plug issue... which again even if cross thread issue is true. would nothing to do with performance. as earlier plugs were vented. Have you ever seen ANY equipment that uses gallons of hydraulic oils not have a bit of oil on equipment?

it takes a bit of work seeing through your BS... but it's evident Speeco has treated this ordeal as if commercial usage was not a factor.

As you stated earlier... if plug was not leaking... ALL your issues with speeco would be resolved. you've already stated the plug was damaged by the shop. not speeco.... Your beef is with the shop that cross threaded the plug. not speeco.

even though it's not their fault, speeco has shipped yet another tank to you. but is rightly refusing to pay for any further labor.

let see... speeco has shipped you and paid for labor to install:

1. new hydraulic cylinder and $125+ shipping + ($50hr) labor
2. new beam including foot plate and $150+ shipping+ ($50hr) labor... picture of old foot could easily pass for a unbent one (below)
3. new tank and $150+ shipping with labor ($50+ hr)
4. second new tank and $150+ shipping. now rightly refusing to pay labor a second time

how in the world can you expect a homeowner level splitter to hold up under commercial wood lot duties? which you conveniently didn't mention until it was dug up.

sure seems to me you are the customer that can't be satisfied.
why don't you take the new tank and change it out yourself and be done?

or better yet... use the splitter as is...

If you have boy scouting troops for free labor Id start a firewood business, you can take them out into the woods, cut and buck the wood and let them carry it to your truck for you. Of course you will tell them what types of wood they are carrying so it is a learning experience. No but seriously if I were you and had 3,000 dollars, Id get the best of both worlds. You can get a DECENT splitter aka a husky or spee co 25 ton splitter for 1500, and a 80-90 cc saw for 1500. Neither splitter will be "commercial grade", or real fast. For what you do though, its certainly better then doing it by hand. You really dont need to spend 3000 dollars on a splitter for waht you do. A spee co should do fine for the relativly small amount of wood you use.

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First off, I have been out of town, for Easter visiting family. I am still out of town but using a computer at relatives house for now. I will also be out of town thursday-sunday night next week as well. This doesnt mean I am "out trolling" or avoiding anything. It means that life doesnt allow me to get on here. As I said above I wouldn't be able to get pictures of mine until at least Monday. Mine is welded like shown, but when the 2 welds on the back broke, they must serve some purpose because as you can see the pivot pin is welded behind the flat plate of steel. Normally, the pin tube is about an1/8th of an inch away from the other plate, the 2 spot welds hold the pin pivot away from the other plate there in the back. When the 2 spot welds broke, the pin tube then rested against the plate on the back. Aka if you think about removing those 2 spot welds and then the pin tube 'bends back' and rests on the plate behind it. I agree the weld on the front should hold it, but who am I to say? I saw that normally that pivot is held up off of the other plate in the back. The welds were there and broke and the pin pivot had moved. I took it to the dealer who agreed it should not be like that. If the tack welds were merely a step in the assembly process, that should have been explained to me by the servicing dealer. I was told by the dealer, the plug had came like that from the factory, but now after talking to the dealer many times I am starting to disbelieve him more and more. I don't know who screwed up the threads with the plug. I personally think it is both of their problems, spee co for shipping the unit with the wrong plug and the tech for not noticing it and sending me home with it wrong and cross threaded. I have never said that I don't use this machine. It is not used every day but does get used. I do have another splitter that I use for anything big and for anything that is real twisted or gnarly. I used to have a 30 ton model. I dont need a 30 ton model. I have another splitter for the big knarly stuff. Why spend big money getting a 30 ton machine when I dont need a 30 ton machine. I dont need that much force. Chances are if I need that big of a machine, I can't lift the round onto the splitter anyways. I dont like using the machine vertically unless I have to, and chances are if I need that big of a splitter ill set it aside and get it with my other splitter. I decided I really didn't need that big of a machine and went to my local farm store and told them flat out what my intentions were and what the machine was going to be used for to produce firewood for sale. I am not a tree service and dont have a guy on the machine all day every day. It was going to be used, not every day but quite often. I have the other splitter on my tractor that would get the real big stuff and the gnarly stuff. If I wanted speed and production and had a few guys working with me I will take the time to hook up the tractor and dig the tractor out and use that. This splitter would be for when I am working alone and doing smaller stuff anything under 18-20". I did state to him how much I intended on using the machine etc and he told me that the machine which I purchased would be fine. He told me it had a 3 year warranty on all steel components, knowing full well I sell firewood. The salesman knew that. No where on line nor in the manual does it distinguish between residential use and commercial use. If they have a problem standing behind their product for 3 years under commercial use then it should be stated. My aggravation is through the fact that I bought a splitter with a 3 year warranty and now the company is trying to back down and back out of their commitment. I have never said I don't use it, and use it to split firewood for sale. The dealer that sold me the product knew this and didn't say anything. I am not having buyers remorse. I was would love a processor, but that is not in the cards for me right now. I have bought some log length wood that I am going to have a processor come in and work up for me. I am not unhappy with the machine when it is working. For when I am by myself, and for branch wood, not having to hook a splitter up to a tractor and not running a tractor when I am by myself and don't have someone who can help me go get rounds etc this splitter works fine. I think it has its weak points, but when it is working it does its job. I wouldn't have any problem having a 3 way conversation between me spee co and the servicing dealer. The part that aggravates me is that spee co is trying to back out of their warranty now when as I said the dealer never stipulated it was a residential unit. The manual doesn't stipulate. IF spee co isn't going to stand behind their product then buy me out, buy it back. IF spee co doesnt believe this machine is made to handle splitting as much as I do or is made for commercial use put an hour meter on it. I am aggravated because spee co didn't stipulate between commercial and residential use in their warranty and now all the sudden they are just dropping the ball.
 
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you sure change your story a lot .... here's a post from 4-5 where you are recommending speeco as a decent splitter. Now it's a total piece of crap.

this thread is convoluted due to your twisting the facts about. the perfect example is the tack weld. which does NOTHING except maybe to hold things together during assembly. which you conveniently don't mention until someone posted a picture of back side.

second is the plug issue... which again even if cross thread issue is true. would nothing to do with performance. as earlier plugs were vented. Have you ever seen ANY equipment that uses gallons of hydraulic oils not have a bit of oil on equipment?

it takes a bit of work seeing through your BS... but it's evident Speeco has treated this ordeal as if commercial usage was not a factor.

As you stated earlier... if plug was not leaking... ALL your issues with speeco would be resolved. you've already stated the plug was damaged by the shop. not speeco.... Your beef is with the shop that cross threaded the plug. not speeco.

even though it's not their fault, speeco has shipped yet another tank to you. but is rightly refusing to pay for any further labor.

let see... speeco has shipped you and paid for labor to install:

1. new hydraulic cylinder and $125+ shipping + ($50hr) labor
2. new beam including foot plate and $150+ shipping+ ($50hr) labor... picture of old foot could easily pass for a unbent one.
3. new tank and $150+ shipping with labor ($50+ hr)
4. second new tank and $150+ shipping. now rightly refusing to pay labor a second time

how in the world can you expect a homeowner level splitter to hold up under commercial wood lot duties? which you conveniently didn't mention until it was dug up.

sure seems to me you are the customer that can't be satisfied.
why don't you take the new tank and change it out yourself and be done?

or better yet... use the splitter as is...
Again, I honestly didnt know that the back tack welds were there for assembly purposes only. The welds broke and the tube shifted. To me that seemed like a piss poor design. I realize there was another weld but I figured the spot welds on the back were there for support as well. If they are there for assembly, why didnt the servicing dealer tell me this? In that post I said it was a decent splitter, which it has been when it was working, until I knew they were going to put a warranty cap on the unit.
I have seen many machines excavators etc that dont leak. More that do but many that dont. I dont know who cross threaded the plug initially or how much they screw the caps in at spee co. At first the dealer denied ever doing it and still does but I suspect that maybe the dealer did it. I have no way of knowing who did it or whose responsible for it.
 
come on... cut the BS... your splitter is fully functional. that tiny bit of oil weeping out has zero to do with splitter functioning correctly.

there is absolutely nothing wrong with speeco's design to support the pivot rod. again ... even if the tack welds were not there... splitter will function 100% fine.

if it's bothering to you that much. use a bit of Teflon tape, change out the tank yourself... get the shop to fix their mistake. this is a much to do about very little.

don't take this out on speeco. who has gone MUCH further to try to make you happy than anyone could rightfully expect.

or sell the splitter on Craigslist for $995 or more... betcha someone will be all over it in a heartbeat. you can sell this splitter in good faith know this is a good splitter that weeps a bit of oil out of plug. or Teflon tape it, but be sure to tell the buyer the plug is taped. trust me... this will not bother a used splitter buyer in the least.

Again, I honestly didnt know that the back tack welds were there for assembly purposes only. The welds broke and the tube shifted. To me that seemed like a piss poor design. I realize there was another weld but I figured the spot welds on the back were there for support as well. If they are there for assembly, why didnt the servicing dealer tell me this? In that post I said it was a decent splitter, which it has been when it was working, until I knew they were going to put a warranty cap on the unit.
I have seen many machines excavators etc that dont leak. More that do but many that dont. I dont know who cross threaded the plug initially or how much they screw the caps in at spee co. At first the dealer denied ever doing it and still does but I suspect that maybe the dealer did it. I have no way of knowing who did it or whose responsible for it.
 
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I bought mine damaged, it had been returned to the store. I guess I'm not too picky about my splitter, as long as it does its job. BTW, here's a fix for the hinge pin.
 
Interesting!!!

Originally Posted by thejdman04
I am new to this site, and very new to firewood processors. I have been cutting and selling firewood for about 7 years now. My firewood business started out, something I would do on the weekends to fill up my spare time, I would cut it and split it, pile it and then sell it the next year. I got laid off a few years back and have grown my firewood business, to a fairly decent size. Currently I am using a "big box store" 30ton splitter. I split it, put it in my skid steer and then pile it with the skid steer. I have no clue about firewood processors. There are probably 20 big firewood producers in my area, and only one has a firewood processor. I stopped and talked to him about his, and he swears by Hudson. Suprisingly he is about the only one in the area that has a firewood processor. Seems everyone else uses man power and a conventional spilitter. I typically sell about 300 face cords per year, and every year I run out of firewood. I know there is a substancial initial investment, but I think in the long run it would pay off. Anyone ever use one? Anything to look for, and look out for? Do they work as well as they claim to? Thanks for any insight.

good detective work 046!
I for one am a little embarrased for getting took with the idea that those single little tacks where the only thing holding the pivot tube in place.Thanks for sharing the picks of the back side of the tube.

I hate when these kind of posts get going! By the time you get to the end of the last page, you wonder who you can believe.

I am still a little puzzled as to why speeco opted for a new tank when it would have been far cheaper and better to reinforce the old tank/pivot point. A couple of gussets would have helped those tacks out, and prevented any further cracking.
 
Hard to believe the threads on the tank are so fubarred that they are no longer usable. Why not try chasing the threads on the tank? Then the correct plug should fit and you will have spare reservoir for building another splitter in the future.
 
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at my workshop i have seen many customers like this speeco owner.
they are just demanding or complaining too much and they are hard to please..
 
I realize there was another weld but I figured the spot welds on the back were there for support as well. If they are there for assembly, why didnt the servicing dealer tell me this?

Because he has never seen one fabricated? Because he's an idiot? Because he doesn't care? With all due respect to those few exceptional folks who work in the OPE repair field, most folks don't go into this line of work because of their great intellect...


come on... cut the BS... your splitter is fully functional. that tiny bit of oil weeping out has zero to do with splitter functioning correctly.

I would agree. If it works, it works; if it doesn't, it doesn't. If it leaks but still works, then what you have is a working splitter with a leak. Up until a week or so ago, my Timberwolf had a leak. Yeah, a big-dollar high-end splitter had a leak! The factory used pipe dope on one connection and teflon tape on all others. The doped connection just didn't have enough dope, so it wept a bit. After putting up with it for a while, I decided to fix it - I unscrewed it, wiped off the dope with a towel, retaped with Teflon, screwed it back together. Wiped up the hydraulic fluid that dripped, and went back to splitting, all in less than 15 minutes.


if it's bothering to you that much. use a bit of Teflon tape, change out the tank yourself... get the shop to fix their mistake. this is a much to do about very little.

I agree - if you've got the parts, just fix it. I certainly appreciate the frustration, but there comes a point when the frustration of waiting for it to get fixed right is greater than the annoyance of just fixing it yourself. If the shop is being obnoxious and won't fix their mistake, I'd sure has heck not be inclined not to take it back to them...any shop childish enough not to fix its mistake is going to be even more childish when pushed. Is this right? Of course not. But you know what? Life ain't fair. If you incur costs in re-reassembling it yourself, sue the shop and/or Speeco in small claims for the common shop rate value of your time or some other reasonable measure.


don't take this out on speeco. who has gone MUCH further to try to make you happy than anyone could rightfully expect.

They seem to be trying, short of sending a new machine. If anything, it seems like their repair facility may have dropped the ball a bit. It would be interesting to know what, if anything, has been done behind the scene re: the repair facility.


or sell the splitter on Craigslist for $995 or more... betcha someone will be all over it in a heartbeat. you can sell this splitter in good faith know this is a good splitter that weeps a bit of oil out of plug. or Teflon tape it, but be sure to tell the buyer the plug is taped. trust me... this will not bother a used splitter buyer in the least.

+1.
 
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i bet what he really meant was -he wants spee co to replace it with a wood processor that he badly need...but he was too afraid to ask here..
 
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